"Vaccinations Are Good Things" or "Why Seil Is Going To Bust A Nut"

Seil · 12-04-2013, 05:33 AM

So hey, because I was recently accepted to college in the Care Aide program, that means that for part of the course (a few months) I'll be placed in a nursing home or private residence. That means that I need to get vaccinations. Recently, a friend on FaceBook posted this article:

3 reasons why medicinal chemist doesn�t vaccinate

Which I stopped reading after they called the opposing side "argumentative apes." But much like Jenny McCarthy claiming vaccinations gave her son autism, the "Medicinal Chemist" is wrong.

Let's break it down - a vaccine is

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vaccine
?vaksi?n,-?n/
noun
Medicine
noun: vaccine; plural noun: vaccines

1. an antigenic substance prepared from the causative agent of a disease or a synthetic substitute, used to provide immunity against one or several diseases.

The purpose of a vaccine is to trigger your body to recognize and attack foreign cells. That's pretty much it. You're training your body to more quickly recognize, say, TB, and either break it down or secrete it. Why are we doing this? I would hope that the answer is obvious. It makes it harder for us to become sick. That doesn't mean that we become immune. It just makes it harder for us to catch tuberculosis or measles. There are some people who can not get vaccinated. That's okay - because if those people around that person are at lower risk of getting sick, that person is too.

So please, ladies and gentleman; if you need a flu shot this season, don't buy into any malarkey of "Vaccinations do more harm than good." They really don't.

Grandmaster_Skweeb · 12-04-2013, 06:32 AM

I and the rest of my family are unable to get flu shots. We get a large range of allergic reactions ranging from bad headaches to hives and shit like that.

We deal with it the old fashioned way: get sick, fight it off, develop super powers, etc.

Shyria Dracnoir · 12-04-2013, 11:06 AM

Anti-vaccination propaganda is bad.

Richard Baseheart is good.

Flarecobra · 12-04-2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shyria Dracnoir

Anti-vaccination propaganda is bad.

Richard Baseheart is good.

Anyone else read that in Gypsy's voice?

And I'm all for vaccinations. Kept me well when a wave of flu went through my unit when I was in the military, because I got mine handled early, just to get it out of the way.

akaSM · 12-04-2013, 07:14 PM

Because a random person obviously knows more than people who actually work in a given area

Aldurin · 12-04-2013, 08:59 PM

I personally don't go out for the flu shot, but that's mainly just stubbornness and relying on the fact that I only really get sick about twice a year. It's definitely a good thing that has saved many lives, and whatever malpractice that has happened with vaccines is something that our technology level today is able to prevent (obviously if you don't break the DNA within the virus' shell for the vaccination then it's going to give you the actual disease, but we have the means to do it right consistently so it's mainly misinformed paranoia at this point).

Seil · 12-04-2013, 09:46 PM

Someone is arguing with me on Facebook. Just a sec... Here's their counter argument:

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Vaccination causes asthma
http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/07/earlier-vaccina.html

15 Science Journal Links Proving Asthma, Allergy, & Autism Links to Vaccines
http://gaia-health.com/.../15-science-journal-links.../

The culprit behind asthma and allergies: vaccination
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/hancock1.html

Vaccine-induced asthma
http://www.smartvax.com/index.php?option=com_content...

Polio Was NOT Eradicated By The Vaccine
From Patricia Doyle, PhD
http://rense.com/general92/polio.htm

Vaccinated children have up to 500% more disease than unvaccinated children
http://www.realfarmacy.com/vaccinate...en-have-up.../

Scientific Evidence Suggests The Vaccine-Autism Link Can No Longer Be Ignored - 22 Studies Showing That Vaccines Cause Autism
http://www.collective-evolution.com/.../22-medical.../

Healthy 7 Year Old Girl Dies in Mother�s Arms After Flu Shot
http://vactruth.com/2012/01/14/dies-in-mothers-arms/

Swine Flu Vaccine Linked with Risk of Paralysis Disorder
http://news.yahoo.com/swine-flu-vacc...ked-small-risk...

Two-month-old boy dies after vaccination
http://www.hindustantimes.com/.../tw...e1-932656.aspx

Vaccination Causes Diabetes
http://gaia-health.com/.../2.../vacc...uses-diabetes/

Four-day-old baby dies after vaccination
http://www.deccanherald.com/.../four...baby-dies.html

Courts quietly confirm MMR Vaccine causes Autism
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/.../cou...ly-confirm.../

Whooping Cough Outbreak Involved 90% Vaccinated Kids
http://www.activistpost.com/.../whooping-cough-outbreak...

Do vaccines cause autism? Highly informative video narrated by Rob Schneider
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv_IaLHwgAQ

How Vaccines Harm Child Brain Development - Dr Russell Blaylock MD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QBcMYqlaDs

30 Years of Secret Official Transcripts Show UK Government Experts Cover Up Vaccine Hazards To Sell More Vaccines And Harm Your Kids
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.c...government.../

Mortality Rate 50% Higher with More Vaccine Doses
http://gaia-health.com/.../medical-childrens-psych.../

Now what happens if you take a very small baby and inject mercury?
By Boyd Haley Ph.D.
http://www.whale.to/v/haley3.html

Hepatitis B Vaccine Highly Linked to Sudden Infant Death -
Dr. Mercola
http://articles.mercola.com/.../us-government-concedes...

HPV Gardasil Vaccine Proves Lethal - 47 Girls Now Dead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4pfEcjyyrU

Baby Dies after Routine Vaccination for Hep B, Polio, and DPT
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.c...dies-after.../

Five-Month-Old Baby Dies Just Days After 8 Vaccinations
http://www.activistpost.com/.../five...-old-baby-dies...

Leading Vaccine Doctor States Cancer Linked to Polio Vaccine -
Dr. Maurice Hilleman made astounding revelations in an interview that was cut from The Health Century -- the admission that Merck drug company vaccines had been injecting dangerous viruses into people worldwide.
http://articles.mercola.com/.../leading-vaccine-doctor...

Let's start with the cheloid treatment. What does the American Cancer Society say about it?

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Originally Posted by http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/pharmacologicalandbiologicaltreatment/chelation-therapy

This substance may not have been tested to find out how it interacts with medicines, foods, or dietary supplements. Even though some reports of interactions and harmful effects may be published, full studies of interactions and effects are not often available. Because of these limitations, any information on ill effects and interactions below should be considered incomplete.

Available scientific evidence does not support claims that chelation therapy is a safe treatment for any type of cancer. Chelation therapy may produce toxic effects, including kidney damage, irregular heart beat, and swelling of the veins. It may also cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and temporary lowering of blood pressure. Since the therapy removes minerals from the body, there is a risk of developing low calcium levels (hypocalcemia) and bone damage. Chelation therapy may also impair the immune system and decrease the body's ability to produce insulin. People may also feel pain at the site of the EDTA injection. Chelation therapy may be dangerous in people with kidney disease, liver disease, or bleeding disorders. Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding should not use this method.

Chelation therapy is often given along with large doses of vitamins and other minerals, which may actually contribute to the processes that produce dangerous free radicals in the body. Loss of zinc can also lead to mutations in cells. For this reason, chelation therapy may actually increase the risk of cancer.

The possible interactions between chelation therapy and prescription or over-the-counter medicines are not entirely known.

Relying on this type of treatment alone and avoiding or delaying conventional medical care for cancer may have serious health consequences.

Oh. Oh dear.

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Originally Posted by Seil

The original Manitoba study (https://umanitoba.ca/.../WFP_Asthma_...cines_Jan_2008...) which isn't linked in the Age Of Autism article (which actually constantly claims that vaccines cause asthma) does mention that there is a link between the two.

However, the article makes a case that children receive vaccinations before their immune systems are fully developed. She actually states:

Kozyrskyj said she is �pro-vaccination� and noted the safety and effectiveness of vaccines has been studied for years. �It�s not an alarm bell,� she said. �We have many years of research on these vaccines and I would say the benefits, by far, outweigh the risks.�

Aerozord · 12-17-2013, 12:22 PM

As someone with aspergers anti-vaccination arguements always fill me with bottomless rage, not only at the misinformation being tossed around but also at the implication that because I have aspergers I am "lesser".

The best anti-anti-vaccination argument I have ever heard is simply this. Lets assume all their claims are true, all of them. The number that experience these negative side effects pale in comparison to the number of lives saved by vaccinations. Before vaccinations we had death tolls from the flu was in the millions, now its so low calling it an epidemic is more like media sensationalizing than legit news. 1,800 over two years? You are more likely to die driving to work than the flu. Keep in mind that just the flu, which is the most minor and least lethal thing you get vaccinated for

Azisien · 12-17-2013, 01:11 PM

I've been a part of a lot of pro-vaccine/anti-vaccine arguments on Facebook recently. The issue is really flaring up this year, at least from my own personal observation.

On some level I'm okay with not trusting "the Man" because let's face it, the people in power pull a lot of bullshit. I honestly think that's where a lot of this suspicion comes from. We simply don't trust the people in charge, whoever they are, wherever they are, and whatever they do.

One local radio host for one of my city's largest radios claims directly that the measles vaccine gave his kid autism. According to him, something along the lines of "My kid was perfectly happy and healthy going into the shot, and minutes after receiving the shot, stopped laughing or crying or playing or baby-talking. That very same day my kid was showing signs on full-blown autism."

Hard to argue, that.

I suppose I'm a silent vaccine success story, since I got all scheduled vaccinations from birth to now and I'm infrequently sick, not mercury/lead poisoned, etc... But to an anti-vacciner, I suppose I just "got lucky" or something.

I admit I have not got the flu shot before. I tend not to get the flu, and what little colds and seasonal illnesses I get come pretty much exclusively from retail work. Pretty soon I'll be coming into frequent contact with elderly (85+) though, so I'm hopping on that train.

Aerozord · 12-17-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Azisien

One local radio host for one of my city's largest radios claims directly that the measles vaccine gave his kid autism. According to him, something along the lines of "My kid was perfectly happy and healthy going into the shot, and minutes after receiving the shot, stopped laughing or crying or playing or baby-talking. That very same day my kid was showing signs on full-blown autism."

Hard to argue, that.

very easily, thats not autism.

Biggest thing is autism and related conditions are caused by the brain allocating resources away from communication center of the brain and developing analytical and cognitive side. Its why people with autism tend to display what neurotypicals would call an uneven intellect. So he has no idea what autism is.

Even ignoring that, minutes? You think you can have that dramatic of an effect in minutes? Minutes isn't even enough time for the blood to cycle the vaccination through the kidney and liver let alone rewrite vast swaths of the childs neural chemestry

12-04-2013, 11:06 AM	#3
Shyria Dracnoir Kawaii-ju Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Monster Island Posts: 4,240	Anti-vaccination propaganda is bad. Richard Baseheart is good. __________________ Godzilla vs. Gamera (1994)

12-17-2013, 12:22 PM	#8
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	As someone with aspergers anti-vaccination arguements always fill me with bottomless rage, not only at the misinformation being tossed around but also at the implication that because I have aspergers I am "lesser". The best anti-anti-vaccination argument I have ever heard is simply this. Lets assume all their claims are true, all of them. The number that experience these negative side effects pale in comparison to the number of lives saved by vaccinations. Before vaccinations we had death tolls from the flu was in the millions, now its so low calling it an epidemic is more like media sensationalizing than legit news. 1,800 over two years? You are more likely to die driving to work than the flu. Keep in mind that just the flu, which is the most minor and least lethal thing you get vaccinated for __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

12-04-2013, 06:32 AM	#2
Grandmaster_Skweeb Doesn't care anymore Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,429	I and the rest of my family are unable to get flu shots. We get a large range of allergic reactions ranging from bad headaches to hives and shit like that. We deal with it the old fashioned way: get sick, fight it off, develop super powers, etc.

12-04-2013, 08:59 PM	#6
Aldurin Lakitu Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,648	I personally don't go out for the flu shot, but that's mainly just stubbornness and relying on the fact that I only really get sick about twice a year. It's definitely a good thing that has saved many lives, and whatever malpractice that has happened with vaccines is something that our technology level today is able to prevent (obviously if you don't break the DNA within the virus' shell for the vaccination then it's going to give you the actual disease, but we have the means to do it right consistently so it's mainly misinformed paranoia at this point).

12-17-2013, 01:11 PM	#9
Azisien wat Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,177	I've been a part of a lot of pro-vaccine/anti-vaccine arguments on Facebook recently. The issue is really flaring up this year, at least from my own personal observation. On some level I'm okay with not trusting "the Man" because let's face it, the people in power pull a lot of bullshit. I honestly think that's where a lot of this suspicion comes from. We simply don't trust the people in charge, whoever they are, wherever they are, and whatever they do. One local radio host for one of my city's largest radios claims directly that the measles vaccine gave his kid autism. According to him, something along the lines of "My kid was perfectly happy and healthy going into the shot, and minutes after receiving the shot, stopped laughing or crying or playing or baby-talking. That very same day my kid was showing signs on full-blown autism." Hard to argue, that. I suppose I'm a silent vaccine success story, since I got all scheduled vaccinations from birth to now and I'm infrequently sick, not mercury/lead poisoned, etc... But to an anti-vacciner, I suppose I just "got lucky" or something. I admit I have not got the flu shot before. I tend not to get the flu, and what little colds and seasonal illnesses I get come pretty much exclusively from retail work. Pretty soon I'll be coming into frequent contact with elderly (85+) though, so I'm hopping on that train.