Gay People And Their Right To Militarize - Page 2

Funka Genocide · 02-02-2010, 01:54 PM

That's kind of bullshit Blues. I've known a lot of people from the "South" in the military who weren't bigots or racists. Some of my best friends are from Texas. That's just another form of discrimination.

The truth of the matter is that the don't ask don't tell policy is mainly in effect because of the voting public. (old people.)

The military doesn't create it's own top-level policy, and honestly any general with troops in Iraq or Afghanistan right now would be happy for any personnel, he doesn't really care what gets them off so long as they can shoot a rifle.

Also, it's not technically illegal to be homosexual in the armed forces, you just can't talk about it or have homosexual sex. Sodomy is still against the law in the UCMJ. But that's really the whole basis of don't ask don't tell.

It has really nothing to do with how military personnel feel about it, it's dictated by the people put into office by the voting public of America. You have to shift public opinion of homosexuality before you can repeal don't ask don't tell, that's basic politics.

Bells · 02-02-2010, 02:02 PM

So, in the heart of business, DADT makes as much sense as "No homos in the boy scouts" over there in the US?

Actually, to broaden up a bit... i know it's a USA issue, but do other countries follow suit to this?

Wigmund · 02-02-2010, 02:41 PM

According to this, 23 countries allow gays to serve in their militaries - including most every member of NATO excluding Turkey and the US, Israel, and Australia.

As for the Boy Scouts, they're technically a private organization - so they're allowed to be small-minded bigots when it comes to their recruiting policies. As to whether or not they can continue doing this and receive support from the government is being litigated in various places.

Professor Smarmiarty · 02-02-2010, 03:01 PM

Yeah but I mean if I made a No blackies association or a We love the Nazis association we'd be shut down pretty much immediatly. You're inculcating prejudice either way.

CABAL49 · 02-02-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

That's kind of bullshit Blues. I've known a lot of people from the "South" in the military who weren't bigots or racists. Some of my best friends are from Texas. That's just another form of discrimination.

I can personally confirm that. Two brothers in the military, homegrown North Carolinians. Both progressives.

But we obviously can't let the gays into the military. They'll start a coup and make us all be communist Nazi gay fascists. You guys do remember this Right?

Funka Genocide · 02-02-2010, 03:57 PM

I think the inclusion of an interior decorating specialization throughout the military would greatly increase morale. Have you ever been on a naval vessel? Everythis is so DRAB!

Also, covert homosexuals obviously have the potential to be great intelligence personnel.

bluestarultor · 02-02-2010, 04:07 PM

Okay, am I going to be buried in a landslide of anecdotal evidence?

Put simply, I'm not saying every person below a line on a map is racist or homophobic. What I am saying is that people of religion (the Bible Belt) and from impoverished areas (characteristic of some regions of the South) have a lower level of tolerance than people with fewer hard-line views and more security.

Loyal · 02-02-2010, 04:42 PM

I always thought the DADT/gays in the military in general thing was a little silly. If I'm abroad with a gun, out to fight, kill, or die at a moments notice, the last thing I'm gonna worry about is a guy checking out my ass.

Bob The Mercenary · 02-02-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

I'm down for not letting gay people join the military because I'm down with not letting anybody join the military. We'll just do it one group of people at the time.

What?

Professor Smarmiarty · 02-02-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob the Mercenary

What?

I thought it was pretty straight forward. The less people eligible for the military the better.

02-02-2010, 02:02 PM	#12
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	So, in the heart of business, DADT makes as much sense as "No homos in the boy scouts" over there in the US? Actually, to broaden up a bit... i know it's a USA issue, but do other countries follow suit to this? __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

02-02-2010, 02:41 PM	#13
Wigmund Lakitu Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Northwest Arkansas Posts: 2,139	According to this, 23 countries allow gays to serve in their militaries - including most every member of NATO excluding Turkey and the US, Israel, and Australia. As for the Boy Scouts, they're technically a private organization - so they're allowed to be small-minded bigots when it comes to their recruiting policies. As to whether or not they can continue doing this and receive support from the government is being litigated in various places. __________________ Slightly off-kilter Last edited by Wigmund; 02-02-2010 at 02:46 PM.

02-02-2010, 01:54 PM	#11
Funka Genocide Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,566	That's kind of bullshit Blues. I've known a lot of people from the "South" in the military who weren't bigots or racists. Some of my best friends are from Texas. That's just another form of discrimination. The truth of the matter is that the don't ask don't tell policy is mainly in effect because of the voting public. (old people.) The military doesn't create it's own top-level policy, and honestly any general with troops in Iraq or Afghanistan right now would be happy for any personnel, he doesn't really care what gets them off so long as they can shoot a rifle. Also, it's not technically illegal to be homosexual in the armed forces, you just can't talk about it or have homosexual sex. Sodomy is still against the law in the UCMJ. But that's really the whole basis of don't ask don't tell. It has really nothing to do with how military personnel feel about it, it's dictated by the people put into office by the voting public of America. You have to shift public opinion of homosexuality before you can repeal don't ask don't tell, that's basic politics.

02-02-2010, 03:01 PM	#14
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	Yeah but I mean if I made a No blackies association or a We love the Nazis association we'd be shut down pretty much immediatly. You're inculcating prejudice either way.

02-02-2010, 03:57 PM	#16
Funka Genocide Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,566	I think the inclusion of an interior decorating specialization throughout the military would greatly increase morale. Have you ever been on a naval vessel? Everythis is so DRAB! Also, covert homosexuals obviously have the potential to be great intelligence personnel.