Premmy's Big-Long Anti-Racism thread.

[Funka Genocide]

Work smarter not harder.

I'm not saying that poor people don't work hard, it's just that their efforts are largely wasted in that they make rich people richer and do nothing to elevate their social situation.

Basically I agree with you.

If anything it is a generational solution, as it's very unlikely that you'll be able to skip straight from abject poverty into affluence in one generation (not that I'm not trying to) What is missing is this cultural acknowledgement and acceptance of responsibility for the future.

If your life sucked because you were poor, wouldn't you want to make sure that your children's lives were better, if only slightly? Wouldn't you put all of your efforts into seeing to it that they didn't have to live the same inadequately funded lifestyle you did?

But people don't do that, they continue to scrape by and spend money on frivolous pursuits while neglecting their children. It's as if America has forgotten the meaning of sacrifice to a large extent. Maybe you should go without your cable TV and brand new SUV for the sake of saving for your children's future, maybe you shouldn't drink or smoke or eat so much fast food when you could be using those funds to save for your children's college careers, maybe instead of being indifferent and uninvolved you should teach yourself enough to be able to help your children when they struggle in school, and maybe you're just too much of a fuck up to properly raise children and you should wear a fucking condom.

[Wigmund]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

Work smarter not harder.

I'm not saying that poor people don't work hard, it's just that their efforts are largely wasted in that they make rich people richer and do nothing to elevate their social situation.

It's not like people have a whole lot of fucking choices about where they work. It's nearly impossible to go out and work for oneself unless you luck out and hit a niche that no one's tapped yet - if there's any left.

Otherwise, when you're poor and desperate, you have to support your family by working god awful hours at a god awful job for god awful wages and there's Jack Fucking Shit you can do about it.

[Archbio]

And it's not like the jobs where hard work doesn't get you anywhere aren't fucking necessary for society to function.

[Funka Genocide]

As I've said before, poor people having kids they can't afford to properly raise is the key issue.

Your comment about having to feed your family illustrates this. If people didn't have kids to support they'd have a lot more mobility. Its their fault they have kids.

As for low paying jobs being necessary for society to function, what exactly are you referencing? Working retail perhaps? If you're talking about government infrastructure and service provision or agriculture or some such thing a lot of those jobs pay very well. Of course picking strawberries doesn't pay very well at all, but if you're going to argue that this is a necessary element of a functioning society I think I've got the chops to counter that.

Now if you're talking about manufacturing processed goods, well factory workers under unionized management typically make decent wages, enough to support themselves and a small family.

What industries are necessary to the functioning of our society then? Which of those industries are domestic? (of course we outsource all the really arduous, fucked up shit to other, actually oppressed third world nations.) What sort of median wage could one expect to make in an occupation that meets both of these criteria?

Let me tell you, garbage men make a decent chunk of change.

[Mirai Gen]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

Its their fault they have kids.

I...guess nobody is allowed to have kids ever?

[Funka Genocide]

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

I...guess nobody is allowed to have kids ever?

This is America, churn out as many babies as you want, fuck you don't even have to raise them unless you're a woman! Have some fun!

Allowed? We don't dictate reproductive rights in America, so that's a silly statement.

Ever? Well, maybe all those horrible costs of living and raising your family wouldn't be so bad if you made more than 8 bucks an hour hmm?

I am not advocating government mandated reproductive law, I am advocating people pulling their heads out of their asses and their dicks out of vaginas long enough to build a stable lifestyle that can support the inclusion of children. You know, planning for a family instead of "oh fuck she's preggo."

I mean for fucks sake people, there is some obvious shit you can do to improve your lifestyle. Be frugal if you don't make a lot of money, invest in yourself (education) and don't incur unnecessary liabilities you can't afford (children).

If you make obvious, huge mistakes you are going to face huge consequences, what is so hard to understand about this? What do you guys propose the solution to poverty is then?

[Hanuman]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Well they are all facts.
I just want to know what you are contending about it.

A) Well, what if this happens?
B) Wont happen because of facts X.
A) Why? ((Citation pl0x?))
B) Because they are facts.
A) Oh... this was productive >.>

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Lev

A) Well, what if this happens?
B) Wont happen because of facts X.
A) Why? ((Citation pl0x?))
B) Because they are facts.
A) Oh... this was productive >.>

Cool burden of proof fallacy, bro.

Either you both start citing some hard science or knock it the fuck off already.

[Jagos]

Now take my friend. Both parents never finished high school. Their view of school is a negative one. This is not even an uncommon thing. Both US and Canadian education systems fail a lot of kids on a regular basis, and they're still doing it today. They don't know, understand, or live the benefits of that education. How can they pass that on, directly or indirectly, to their kids? They have two kids by the way. What do you think happened?

Something I thought I'd mention. Kids are usually smarter than their parents. It's basically to do with genes. Depending on their environment and how they talk to their offspring, a child is more likely to be more successful than their parents were at the same age.

there is some obvious shit you can do to improve your lifestyle. Be frugal if you don't make a lot of money, invest in yourself (education) and don't incur unnecessary liabilities you can't afford (children).

Our society et al is slow to change. There once was a time when having a big family was for the rich, who would have a farm and needed all of the cowhands. Nowadays, we have a lot of people who collect welfare for children rather than education. Interesting in the fact that there are very few women past the age of 25 that aren't pregnant and/or married and tied to the situation that they're in. Like I was talking about single mothers before, I don't see a lot of fathers stepping up to the plate.

That's just one of the problems.

Unfortunately, the war on poverty is over. It has been for a long time. You can't stop every last person from making irrational decisions. It's part of what makes us human. Government can reach out to give a few handouts, but one thing that is going to happen, the ones that want OUT of their situation will rise up. That special 20% of people, no matter the color of their skin, will get out of a bad situation. We can reduce poverty, we can do what we do best and educate ourselves to live better lives. But in the end, we have to acknowledge that what we want for ourselves won't work for everyone.

[Archbio]

As for low paying jobs being necessary for society to function, what exactly are you referencing?

Maybe I mispoke. Necessary for society to function as it does, rather.

They kind of all are. Now, you can go: well, some of those kind of jobs are relatively well paid, as are most of these, and now those jobs just don't plain count. Well, no, they all count, there's always a value provided. It's not because as little money as possible is going to be paid to the people to get that value that's it's not there.

The thing about a lot of shitty jobs being outsourced raises two questions: doesn't that just displace the question? I mean, these jobs must be done. It's like you're thinking that the plight of the oppressed wage slave populations of poorer countries is worthwhile because they're in this geographic compartment: a country where there's less upward mobility. So: it's not their fault.

It's a cop out. If they didn't do it, someone else would have to locally. Even if the entire population of the United States (for example) was composed of these wondrous, hard working subgeniuses, these new John Galt's (or you can just imagine a nation of yous)... someone would have to do every single job. And in these present systems some of them would get screwed pretty hard. Some of them would be unemployed. I remember all those times I've heard the USSR derided for pretending to 100% employement.

That's not to mention that these poorer countries pretty much all have some degree of upward social mobility. So the spngeous argument about whipping it and bootstraps and just working harder could still be adapted.

The second question this raises it: how in the blue blazes is this whole topic of discussing Funka not too goddamn off-topic? I really should stop feeding it.