"Global Warming" or "Interesting Debate On Munk"

[Sifright]

Either s/he is trolling or else is employing a five year olds understanding of science... the basic premise really isn't complicated.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Bob the Mercenary

As much as everyone's been accusing him of trolling. It's really really really not trolling. As lots and lots of people share his opinions...most of them.

I REALLY highly doubt that most people think we're saving ourselves from an ice age.

[Bob The Mercenary]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

I REALLY highly doubt that most people think we're saving ourselves from an ice age.

I thought the "most of them" referred to that part. But honestly, many many people think there are too many people wanting to push political agendas that they actually influenced the scientific community to go along with them.

It's not that difficult to see where he's coming from without referring to it as "trolling".

[Mirai Gen]

Originally Posted by Ibian

If you just wanna stop further warming then we have no issue. However, there are very real plans to actively cool things down. Removing co2 from the air by various means, creating artificial cloud cover, and other far more radical plans than that. It's these people i take issue with.

That's because we've already done enough damage that maybe some drastic measures are in order to get it under control since it's become blatantly obvious that the government isn't going to do jack shit about cutting off the fat bloodsucking slob that is the oil companies.

If we can't turn down the heat we'll go get fans and ice cubes, you understand?

Originally Posted by Ibian

And yah, turn the heat off in a house in the middle of winter and the pipes just might freeze. Cold countries suck like that. Shuffling oil home on a daily basis one quarter barrel at a time is not fun at all.

Wooooooooooooooosh, point going right over your head.

But no seriously let's all go back to how we might freeze the earth if we stop warming it up. Because the Earth didn't already have carbon emissions to counteract that which resulted in the ecosystem it totally had up until we created gasoline and fucked it up.

Seriously man you're just grasping at straws. I don't know what the fuck kind of excuse "What if we overdo it?" is when the CO2 emissions are such a dire problem but it's sure as shit a limp one.

[Ibian]

Since the current topics seem to have petered out i have a question. Recently there was a meeting in Copenhagen by the worlds leaders to try to reach a new and improved Kyoto agreement. I have not seen anything about that in any news outside my country, and i'm wondering if any of you have heard anything about it?

[Mirai Gen]

FOREIGN WHORES!!!

[Ryanderman]

I don't agree with Ibian's posts, and I'm not trying to argue on his side, but (there had to be a but) what if the greenhouse emissions from humanity are covering up what would otherwise be a natural ice age? If that were the case, then theoretically, if we were to eliminate our emissions, it could allow the Earth to settle back into it's natural cycle, producing the ice age Ibian describes? Would there be a way to know if we should, our impact aside, be in one right now?

[Sifright]

Yea the topic really hasn't petered out at all.. Point in fact global warming is occurring you deny said fact and back it up with "we shouldn't do anything about it because we might freeze the planet" Seriously where do people come up with this shit? is it because in the 1960's the media ran a bullshit story about global cooling based on exactly one scientific paper which the author retracted a few months later because how he manipulated the stats was completely wrong is it all based on that? If that really is the majority position on global warming where your from bob I want to hang my head in shame.


Edit:
There wouldn't be another ice age for at least a couple of thousand years if your going by the milankovitch cycles

[Mirai Gen]

Originally Posted by Ryanderman

I don't agree with Ibian's posts, and I'm not trying to argue on his side, but (there had to be a but) what if the greenhouse emissions from humanity are covering up what would otherwise be a natural ice age? If that were the case, then theoretically, if we were to eliminate our emissions, it could allow the Earth to settle back into it's natural cycle, producing the ice age Ibian describes? Would there be a way to know if we should, our impact aside, be in one right now?

Greenland 1992 vs 2002


If we actually were in an 'ice age' and we're counteracting it, then we've drastically overshot. The target wasn't even in the same country as us, is what I'm saying.

EDIT: I don't even want to bother with him anymore.

If Ibian isn't Godhand, or at least a Godhand Jr., then I have a hat I'm going to eat.

[Ibian]

Originally Posted by Ryanderman

I don't agree with Ibian's posts, and I'm not trying to argue on his side, but (there had to be a but) what if the greenhouse emissions from humanity are covering up what would otherwise be a natural ice age? If that were the case, then theoretically, if we were to eliminate our emissions, it could allow the Earth to settle back into it's natural cycle, producing the ice age Ibian describes? Would there be a way to know if we should, our impact aside, be in one right now?

Historically speaking, we have been going through cycles of roughly 90000 years of cold and 10000 years of warmth in 100000 year cycles. These are not exact numbers, they can and do vary by hundreds or thousands of years, and we don't know what causes them to start or end. So far as i know there is no way to know if we should be in one had we not done anything, but the possibility that we could be exists (again, provided the global warming people are correct).

Basically, if we are having an impact then reversing that impact could be quite risky and potentially devastating. And if we don't, trying to reverse it is money out the window.

For reference, my dad is an archaeologist and knowing this sort of thing is part of his job. I have been leaning about it my entire life.