Pope Benedict XVI Doesn't Want To Talk About Molestation Comitted By Priests Recently

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by krogothwolf

I fail to see the problem with this? clearly a brothel is a better thing to spend time on the molesting children. I for one would vote for a brothel vatican!

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

One pope turned the vatican into essentialy a brothel. People are saying Benedict is "Worst pope ever" but he's got a way to go yet.

Hey let's talk about the Pope so bad they made a Video Game villain based on him and nobody complained.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

I see your Alexander and raise you a John. You see while Benedict may have hidden rapist John 12 actually was a rapist and would rape people seeking the protection of the vatican. Also he made prayers to the Devil.

[Archbio]

Only one of those came after papal infallability was actually defined and the rules of it laid out- the rest are retroactive and are debatable/not clearly set out to follow a set of rules like the assumption of Mary.

That's kind of an anachronistic way of looking at it. No... that's a totally anachronistic way of looking at it.

In any case: infallability is totally not all the time.

Borgias represent.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Archbio

That's kind of an anachronistic way of looking at it. No... that's a totally anachronistic way of looking at it.

In any case: infallability is totally not all the time.

Borgias represent.

No more than "Hey, I woke up this morning and the Pope is suddenely infalliable when he chooses to be. Oh and so were past Popes at these specific times". You know for being so dogmatic, they tend to make shit up on the fly a lot.

Also haven't seen it mentioned here but apparently a lot of the initial coverups in the 80s/90s were by the Pope himself (as a cardinal at the time). So he got personal reasons for not discussing it.

[Archbio]

No more than "Hey, I woke up this morning and the Pope is suddenely infalliable when he chooses to be. Oh and so were past Popes at these specific times".

No, but the thing is: it doesn't seem like the notion of infallability was invented in 1870. Both ways of looking at it are anachronistic, because both you and the Church are disregarding what infallability might have been at the time itself, taking the definition of 1870 as the sole possible criterion for it. You're rejecting what they're saying that infallability is... but you're accepting what they're saying that infallability isn't.

I'm not saying that any other criterion that might be more "time appropriate" is going to be worth a damn... I really have no idea about the detail of this.

You know for being so dogmatic, they tend to make shit up on the fly a lot.

Well, that's the paradox of dogma for you! Which cosmological plane now never existed for sure after having totally existed for sure for a long while? Limbo?

[Bob The Mercenary]

That's what I hate most about the pope. Their acts of making things up as they go along go well beyond mere reinterpretation.

Is it really any surprise that some Protestants believe the papistry itself to be the antichrist?

I mean...along with Obama and Bart Stupak.

[Seil]

Didn't a whole lot of the molestation happen on John Paul II's watch though? I thought they were attacking the office rather than the man, but since the man - Benedict - is in the office, he's taking a lot of the blame for it.

But then again, the famous traitor is also named Benedict Arnold, so....

[Kim]

They're blaming the current pope because he himself specifically was helping with a lot of the cover ups when he was a cardinal.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Archbio

No, but the thing is: it doesn't seem like the notion of infallability was invented in 1870. Both ways of looking at it are anachronistic, because both you and the Church are disregarding what infallability might have been at the time itself, taking the definition of 1870 as the sole possible criterion for it. You're rejecting what they're saying that infallability is... but you're accepting what they're saying that infallability isn't.

I'm not saying that any other criterion that might be more "time appropriate" is going to be worth a damn... I really have no idea about the detail of this.

Well before that the idea had been discussed but never really examined. It was just sort of a given that the Holy Spirit was guiding the pope- probably. And the idea of ex cathedra/different levels of papal stuff was around but never laid out officially. Then they sat down an ddecided to make it official and rulise it. It pretty much how the same as old countries getting laws and constitution but I just like hassling the papacy. And I need to make wild accusations and exaggerations bordering on falsehoods cause that's how I roll.
We need the anti-popes back. They'd sort all this mess out.
Edit: The Avignon ones, not the myriad of other ones.

[Tev]

My personal favorite excuse so far is "the Devil made them do it!"

Father Gabriele Amorth, the chief exorcist for the Holy See, said in Rome that The Times’s coverage of Pope Benedict, which cast doubt on his rigor in dealing with pedophile priests, was “prompted by the Devil.”

“There is no doubt about it,” the 85-year-old priest said, according to the Catholic News Agency. “Because he is a marvelous pope and worthy successor to John Paul II, it is clear that the Devil wants to grab hold of him.”

The exorcist also said that the abuse scandal showed that Satan uses priests to try to destroy the church, “and so we should not be surprised if priests too ... fall into temptation. They also live in the world and can fall like men of the world.”