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Unread 01-14-2011, 03:24 PM   #1
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Visual Arts HAve my designs been that sexualized?

Honest up till now they were mostly intended to be cool/beautiful not sex images.

Well this makes me rethink about some stuff.

Should I really scraped over 7 plus stories over this?

Have my designs honestly been sexualized?

And should I really be going this over board over something like this?

It's bothering me a bit too much so I could seriously use an answer.
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Unread 01-14-2011, 04:10 PM   #2
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I'll be honest, I've seen your stuff and I guess it's a bit subjective as to whose point of view though. I also think your stuff is cool and beautiful.

The poses don't really appear to be sexual, at least from my standpoint. They're not really emphasizing anything in general, breasts and whatnot. The outfits, maybe. Then again, it does depend on the context of the design. If you're not going for sex appeal, but the outfits suggest otherwise and that's what you think, you may want to change the design if only to something else you're comfortable drawing.

From the character in your avatar, Sarina Phantom, her outfit is both stylish AND practical, at least from a mage standpoint. As there are no sleeves to get in the way of casting, but at the same time, it isn't showing off her cleavage.

As for asking for opinions on this forum? Why not? I mean, you're asking other artists and friends for their view on your work, so I don't see a problem with it. Well, I'm not an artist, so I can't say if anything is wrong. They don't look sexual(or too sexual) to me, so I don't know if what I say will help.
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Unread 01-14-2011, 04:15 PM   #3
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as far as i can tell, if you don't know if your designes are sexualized, it's probably because they are not...

however, you can control how you express your art, but you can't control how people respond to it.

your artwork is fine and elegant, but there will always someone out there that will look at your stuff and yell "furry porn!" . so dont let it take you down
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Unread 01-14-2011, 05:24 PM   #4
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To be perfectly honest, without reading your stories I thought you were going for a fanservice angle. So yeah.

Like Bells said, you can't control how people react to your stuff, but you can present your stuff in a way that makes people less likely to react unfavorably.

Between the half-lidded look in the eyes of nearly every picture (.Including eyelids is good anatomy, but there's a better way to handle it which I unfortunately am ill-equipped to explore here.), the unusual poses some of them strike for inadequately-explored reasons, and the extremely skin-tight clothing (TVTropes Warning) the girls wear (.I believe I've addressed this in the past.), it's not hard to see how people might interpret it as fanservice. Also apparantly you're including a given character's sexuality in their bios? Not sure what to make of that. The point is, your issues with whether your work is sexualized or not is at least identifiable, and can therefore be resolved.
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Unread 01-14-2011, 05:28 PM   #5
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Unread 01-14-2011, 05:30 PM   #6
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as far as i can tell, if you don't know if your designes are sexualized, it's probably because they are not...

however, you can control how you express your art, but you can't control how people respond to it.
But you can influence how people respond to it.

In this kind of situation, I compare it to writing. A good author knows that when he writes "his hands grasping the spear firmly at the base, he thrust it hard into the hot warmth of her flesh, penetrating her deeply." It carries a... pretty sexual connotation because of the words he chose. Even if he HAD used the words completely innocently, not intending any sexual connotations at all, it still... is what it is, and if you're intending on sharing it with an audience it's important to be aware of what message you might be conveying.

By the same token, if you're drawing huge boobs in tight/revealing clothing everywhere, it's going to carry a sexualized tone to it, even if it's not on purpose. If you want to draw big boobs in tight/revealing clothing, then hey, go for it, but be aware of what you're doing.

That's not to say you always have control on what people might complain about/see/whatever, but if you're drawing someone thoroughly enjoying a frozen banana, don't be surprised if people don't exactly see it in an innocent light.
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Unread 01-14-2011, 05:34 PM   #7
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I would complain about your designs being cat-people way before I ever complained about your designs being sexualized.

EDIT: I would complain about your lack of variety in perspective and character posture before either of those.

...Or I guess, demonstrably after either of those, but it's definitely the thing I think you should work on.

EDIT: If you want to give your unconscious biases a poke, one possible way to see how sexualized a given drawing is, is take that drawing and then draw a male character with the same amount of clothing, same expression, same pose, same amount of detail applied to his junk as you would to her rack, and then see how you react to that.
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Yeah been meaning to do something about that. Been getting detail nazied (granted they didn't intended for it to come off like such) about that not being there from time to time.

Annabel's an exception though since she's created as a joke towards fan service. Get's made fun/looked down on by almost everyone Throughout all 100+ Chapters of D-Universe.

Siren, Eve, and Nadare (hasn't been posted yet but it's on my computer) are deconstructions of Fan Service.

Raiz Sonas is a filler character and thus not important to the plot. Same with Nexus Rei (hasn't been posted yet but it's on my computer). So they only appear for a very short time, do a few plot relevant things, then get put on a bus with only a few cameos, and die respectively.

And Silvia's just a pervert. Hints why Jack who was created by her is a pervert.

The sexualities were for detail's sake. Providing more info on the characters (Granted it's innocent info). Considering that this thing is being written at a snails pace for the sake of decent dialogue. Also because of parings that start to crop up later on. Rather I like it or not D-Universe sounds better as a love story. -_-.

Non the less dodging Fanservice with my characters has been hard. (due to there designs I actually can't use curtain poses).

As for the poses stuff lacking a bit. I need to have an at least half decent profile. So the characters are posed in a way that won't make it hard to tell how tall short they are. None profile stuff and comics will be much and very dynamic. (They need to be). An cause I'm still not use to Dynamic poses. (hints why Avalice Assassin won't get it's first page till mid late 2011).

Well it does seem the damage is done. Shrinking down character busts will damage curtain plot points that drastically effect the story. Mischief Knights Episode 10 Spoiler*Example: Xaniras's rather large bust,waist and body renders her VERY slow. It's the only reason Sarina really stood a chance against her who could burn her to ashes on contact. She can teleport (explained in a later Arc as it's something no one else can do) but it still doesn't help much as she couldn't keep up with Sarina. Fight ends in a draw due to Dantz intervening.* Mischief Knights Episode 11 SpoilersXaniras body is a curse from her weapon Lust's Blade, a living weapon made by Dracula and one of a set of 7 (later revealed to be 10). It has the power to alter the wielder's body to a shape and form they deeply desire, then corrupts that wish. Xaniras was Flat Chested when she got it. You've probably figured out the out come to that. She wasn't pleased with what the sword did to her. It also has the ability to paralyze anything it stabs that isn't killed by said stab (lucky for Sarina, Xaniras's body kept getting in the way of doing this).

Alexcia's bust is off and has been since I still suck at drawing to an extent and can't seem to get her right (granted the most recent redesign is the best so far). It should also be noted that the comic design (coming later) has her Flat chested mostly from the Guns and Ammo crammed into her coat.

Tight clothing is mostly from me sucking that bad at drawing.

Really aside from Annabel, Xaniras, Silvia, Sarina, Joan (barely counts), and Zephyr. Every other female's bust is rather small, normal, in size. With the former 5's busts being equal large from me possibly failing at biology (They are all Sarina's Cousin, Sister, Mother, and Grand mother respectively.)
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Tight clothing is mostly from me sucking that bad at drawing.
I kind of thought that might be the case.
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