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Unread 08-07-2011, 01:40 PM   #1
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WTF Milk raids? Seriously?

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I refuse to believe this is real. People want to spend money on unpasteurized milk the state government of California actually has rules against it? How does this make sense?

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California apparently does allow the sale of raw milk but requires a permit to do so. I’m not sure why James Stewart did not have a permit. It’s possible the milk in question didn’t qualify, or that he simply didn’t believe the regulations applied to his store since it is essentially a private “drop-off-point” rather than an actual grocery store. Private individuals pick up privately distributed food from local farmers. If that’s the case, apparently regulators disagreed.

Obviously spending this much time and this many resources to bust people selling dairy products is silly. Making arrests, rather than simply issuing a fine for non-compliance, is silly. And yes, the fundamental issue here is the silliness of requiring permits – or making outright bans – to sell raw milk in the first place. Permits typically don’t make us any safer, and can serve crowd out competition. In this case, big dairy farms are crowding out smaller competitors.
So... Someone decides to go under the radar for milk, it's used to crowd out bigger businesses, and that's somehow not fair... Does anyone else begin to see a pattern with regulation becoming silly?
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Unread 08-07-2011, 01:49 PM   #2
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To my knowledge, the desire for unpasteurized milk is part of the whole holistic-organic-wholefoods bullshit factory. A bunch of misinformed hippies listening to books they bought at the health food store (which, surprise, tell them the only place to get healthy food is at that same store. But that's not suspicious!) and making yet more misinformed assumptions.

So someone ends up figuring that pasteurization is bad. And because unpasteurized milk and honey are available, they must be better for you! Because fuck Louis Pasteur!

(This annoys me because I have to constantly explain to someone I know, why all of these things are bullshit. She once bought a bottle of unhomogenized milk from a local farm, claiming homogenization was bad for you, for instance. :I)
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Unread 08-07-2011, 01:53 PM   #3
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You do realize that our beers are pasteurized and this is considered a sin in other countries, right?
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Pastuerisation is enforced as a method of disease control so that consumers don't get sick and ill from their milk. You have to get a permit to sell unpastuerised milk to ensure you understand the risks of unpastuerised milk and can inform your consumers.
This is a consumer protection method. It's the same as meat standards. Personally I don't want to have to take everything I buy back to my lab to analyse before I eat it.


Man I wish I could sell lollies with razor blades in them but all these damn regulations get in my way.

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Also, the type of milk can affect cheese makers, from what I'm told.
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Unread 08-07-2011, 02:05 PM   #6
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While I am not a fan of government regulating what we can and cannot eat, that doesn't go for basic quality standards.

This is something they should be enforcing to keep the stupid consumer from buying tainted milk. Milk already has a short shelf-life. Without pasteurizing it only lasts a few days before you run a risk of contamination
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You do realize that our beers are pasteurized and this is considered a sin in other countries, right?
And that is why I brew my own.
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This is something they should be enforcing to keep the stupid consumer from buying tainted milk. Milk already has a short shelf-life. Without pasteurizing it only lasts a few days before you run a risk of contamination
Without pastuerisation you run a risk of contamination straight away. Like taht shit might be full of disease straight off the farm.
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We used to drink unpasteurized cow and goat milk all the time on the farm. Buy it, too, from other farmers after we got rid of the cows.

I'd venture this is probably because he sold it to someone else, since you can buy it at farms unpasteurized with no big problem. They labeled his selling as a grocery store, basically.

California farms may be regulated differently from Pennsylvania farms, though.
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Unread 08-07-2011, 02:14 PM   #10
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Like i'm okay with people selling unpasteurized milk sure but i'm also okay with having to have a license to do it and enforcing the terms of licensing cause someone gotta make sure you're not selling milk that's gonna make peoiple sick as soon as they drink it.
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