I can't stop laughing about videogame tournament gender segregation

BitVyper · 07-16-2014, 08:17 PM

http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/07/02/he...ne-tournament/

The entire article is just comedy gold, but this is the highlight for me:

"This is to avoid possible conflicts (e.g. a female player eliminating a male player during RO8) among other things."

I want this on a shirt.

(The article actually kind of quotes that out of context; they want to join the Real Sports club, which demands that everything be segregated by gender no matter how pointless it is)

Edit: Oh, okay, I guess they actually got rid of the gender segregation due to the enormous backlash they faced. Can someone change the date on this thread to like, two weeks ago so I can pretend I was part of that?

Osterbaum · 07-17-2014, 03:21 AM

I remember reading this same article, involving Finland and all I saw it spread around. I'm pretty sure I don't have to explicitly state what I think about this, should be pretty obvious.

Ryong · 07-17-2014, 05:24 AM

I absolutely could swear we actually had a thread about it.

It made sense to have that specific tournament be male-only as it was led directly to a bigger tournament that was male-only. Consistency and all that.

But now? Now the previously male-only tournaments are mixed and the female-only tournaments still exist. So everything is fine and women still have a way of playing in, well, a less hostile environment.

rpgdemon · 07-17-2014, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryong

It made sense to have that specific tournament be male-only as it was led directly to a bigger tournament that was male-only. Consistency and all that.

But, how does that make any sense?

Like, sure, maybe its "the other tournament's fault" that they excluded women, but really that just means BOTH tournaments are crappy. This one didn't need to feed into the other one, nor did it need to exclude women if it wanted to feed into the other one, it could have just not fed the women winners in.

Or, and this is the best option, they could have NOT been a feeder tournament for the bigger sexister one.

Ryong · 07-17-2014, 10:49 PM

If a tournament says it's a qualifier for a bigger tournament, it has to abide to the rules of the bigger tournament.

Maybe they didn't have money to make a big tournament and got help from the people behind the world tournament. That's most likely what happened, even.

While their approach was "our hands are tied" maybe that WAS the best approach as it worked.

Or do you think excluding Finland from the world tournament and Finland having its own smaller but mixed tournament would have worked as well as it did in the end?

Aerozord · 07-17-2014, 10:52 PM

they can both be horrible

Ryong · 07-17-2014, 11:04 PM

They can.

But now they both have a mixed league and a female-only league.

If they're horrible, they still gave in to public opinion.

I'm not going to judge them for being bad in the past, I'm going to judge them for accepting change. Yes, the change could've happened before, yes the change could even not be necessary, but now it's here, better late than never.

Bells · 07-18-2014, 07:08 AM

i agree. but one point i never managed to understand is the actual mechanic behind a female-only league for Videogames...

I mean, in a Physical context i can understand... physical attributes can be different, fair play is better achieve if you separate the groups (even though you can still have mixed events in certain areas work just fine) but in video game championships?!

Unless there is some obvious detail i'm missing, Mixed tournaments should be the only category around...

Tev · 07-18-2014, 09:11 AM

Female only leagues are so ladies can have a fun time competing in a tournament environment that is objectively less of a chauvinist cesspool.

Kim · 07-18-2014, 09:29 AM

Yeah, like women who compete in e-sports stuff do have to put up with a LOT of gross shit. Women sometimes need safe spaces where men aren't welcome.

07-16-2014, 08:17 PM	#1
BitVyper History's Strongest Dilettante Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Arcadia Posts: 6,662	I can't stop laughing about videogame tournament gender segregation http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/07/02/he...ne-tournament/ The entire article is just comedy gold, but this is the highlight for me: "This is to avoid possible conflicts (e.g. a female player eliminating a male player during RO8) among other things." I want this on a shirt. (The article actually kind of quotes that out of context; they want to join the Real Sports club, which demands that everything be segregated by gender no matter how pointless it is) Edit: Oh, okay, I guess they actually got rid of the gender segregation due to the enormous backlash they faced. Can someone change the date on this thread to like, two weeks ago so I can pretend I was part of that? __________________ "There are worlds out there where the sky is burning, and the sea is asleep, and the rivers dream. People made of smoke and cities made of song. Somewhere there's danger, somewhere there's injustice, somewhere else the tea's getting cold. Come on, Ace; we've got work to do!" Awesome art be here. Last edited by BitVyper; 07-16-2014 at 08:28 PM.

07-17-2014, 03:21 AM	#2
Osterbaum The revolution will be memed! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: FIN Posts: 5,967	I remember reading this same article, involving Finland and all I saw it spread around. I'm pretty sure I don't have to explicitly state what I think about this, should be pretty obvious. __________________ D is for Dirty Commie!

07-17-2014, 10:52 PM	#6
Aerozord So we are clear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Former murder capital of the world Posts: 13,824	they can both be horrible __________________ "don't hate me for being a heterosexual white guy disparaging slacktivism, hate me for all those murders I've done."

07-18-2014, 07:08 AM	#8
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	i agree. but one point i never managed to understand is the actual mechanic behind a female-only league for Videogames... I mean, in a Physical context i can understand... physical attributes can be different, fair play is better achieve if you separate the groups (even though you can still have mixed events in certain areas work just fine) but in video game championships?! Unless there is some obvious detail i'm missing, Mixed tournaments should be the only category around... __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

07-18-2014, 09:29 AM	#10
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Yeah, like women who compete in e-sports stuff do have to put up with a LOT of gross shit. Women sometimes need safe spaces where men aren't welcome. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

07-17-2014, 05:24 AM	#3
Ryong Professional Threadkiller Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brazil Posts: 3,798	I absolutely could swear we actually had a thread about it. It made sense to have that specific tournament be male-only as it was led directly to a bigger tournament that was male-only. Consistency and all that. But now? Now the previously male-only tournaments are mixed and the female-only tournaments still exist. So everything is fine and women still have a way of playing in, well, a less hostile environment.

07-17-2014, 10:49 PM	#5
Ryong Professional Threadkiller Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brazil Posts: 3,798	If a tournament says it's a qualifier for a bigger tournament, it has to abide to the rules of the bigger tournament. Maybe they didn't have money to make a big tournament and got help from the people behind the world tournament. That's most likely what happened, even. While their approach was "our hands are tied" maybe that WAS the best approach as it worked. Or do you think excluding Finland from the world tournament and Finland having its own smaller but mixed tournament would have worked as well as it did in the end?

07-17-2014, 11:04 PM	#7
Ryong Professional Threadkiller Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brazil Posts: 3,798	They can. But now they both have a mixed league and a female-only league. If they're horrible, they still gave in to public opinion. I'm not going to judge them for being bad in the past, I'm going to judge them for accepting change. Yes, the change could've happened before, yes the change could even not be necessary, but now it's here, better late than never.