"Global Warming" or "Interesting Debate On Munk"

[Seil]

I know we've had climate change debates in the past, but I found this really interesting.

Here's a transcript of the debate, for those that don't want to watch an hour-long internet video.


I was only able to catch the last part of this on the radio, but it was when George was talking about...

Originally Posted by George Monbiot

I was with one of the relatives of the people in the cattle camp. About 10 miles before we got there this man suddenly burst into tears and he was screaming and wailing and crying and I asked him what on earth was going on. And he said, can’t you see? And I said, I’m sorry, I can’t see. And as I got closer and closer, I did see. There were vultures hanging in the air just above this cattle camp. And when we arrived, all that remained of the 98 people who lived there were their skulls and backbones. The rest had been eaten by hyenas. The Toposa people had come in the night and surrounded this cattle camp and machine gunned it with AK-47s and G3s. They killed 96 people that night. There were two that got away and they killed them the next day.

They killed them because they were desperate and they were desperate because of droughts. And that drought almost certainly was a result of climate change.

This is what we are up against. Not the esoteric abstractions and the figures and the squabbles we’ve been having over spreadsheets and computer programs and what this figure says and what that figure says. This is about life and death to these people — people I came to love and respect when I was there. And it was seeing that, which turned me into a climate change campaigner.

I thought that it was neat because it provided a different set of problems arising from climate change rather than It's fucking hot and we're killing all the whales!

Short version of Bjorn's argument.
Short version of George's argument.