You all have so very many opinions about Ayn Rand - Page 3

Wigmund · 08-18-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawk

I still don't know who the fuck Ayn Rand is.

If you've played Bioshock you've seen the aftermath of Rand's ideas in action.

Viridis · 08-18-2010, 04:20 PM

Well, Rand's ideas+superpowers+a tyrannical paranoid leader, really.

Funka Genocide · 08-18-2010, 04:44 PM

I mean I kind of get the whole "I'm better than those fuckers" vibe she puts out, but at the same time I'd like to think that the inherent hubris of success can be tempered with a humility born of experience. If you just had money thrown at you your whole life or are a complete sociopath its easy to see how you'd come to conclusions similar to Rand.

But I'd like to think that most people have been royally fucked at some point in their lives, and thats the sort of thing that really puts objectivism in perspective. "Oh shit, I'm an intelligent, hard working person and I still got fucked... well damn."

In order to succeed on the levels idealized by Rand and her ilk, you need to be born into privilege from the get go. You need to have some sort of leg up on the competition, whether you hit it big in the genetic lottery, have rich parents or simply aren't shot to death by freedom fighters before the age of 13, people born into shit live lives filled with it, and no amount of anecdotal fairy tale stories will ever overcome the reality of poverty.

Professor Smarmiarty · 08-18-2010, 04:51 PM

But Rand's family lost thier wealth to a dirty mob made up of vagrants and poor people! How is that fair!!!!

Amake · 08-18-2010, 05:11 PM

There's also the simple mathematical fact that people can accomplish more working together than we can working against each other. Ayn Rand could not believe that because she was too afraid to trust any other human being on any kind of personal level. Sad, really.

The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk · 08-18-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by phil_

She was an author, Hawk. Now she is dead. You have google, wikipedia, and a link to her foundation's website in this thread. Go forth, and discover why people don't like her using the resources afforded to you by the information age. Or don't, whatever.

I probably have better things to do. Maybe.

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Originally Posted by Viridis

This may help. Also, just keep in mind that selfish asshole = good. That is key here with her.

That sort of helps.

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Originally Posted by Wigmund

If you've played Bioshock you've seen the aftermath of Rand's ideas in action.

Ok yeah that's all I really needed. Thanks.

Funka Genocide · 08-18-2010, 05:17 PM

This whole rape advocacy thing is news to me though. What are you guys talking about?

Kim · 08-18-2010, 05:21 PM

At least a couple of her books, if not all of them, have the lead female characters getting raped but it's a "good thing" because it's acting on selfishness with no concern for the other party also the women being raped enjoy it. I'm not even fucking kidding. I wish I was.

Viridis · 08-18-2010, 05:23 PM

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While Roark is working in the quarry, he encounters Dominique, who has retreated to her family's estate in the same town as the quarry. There is an immediate attraction between them. Rather than indulge in traditional flirtation, the two engage in a battle of wills which results in rape. (Author Ayn Rand said that "if it was rape, it was rape by engraved invitation."[citation needed]) Not long after, Roark leaves to build the Enright House.

What the fuck. Also.

Professor Smarmiarty · 08-18-2010, 05:47 PM

Relationships are pretty commuist when you think about it.

08-18-2010, 05:11 PM	#25
Amake Keeper of the new Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: A place without judgment Posts: 4,506	There's also the simple mathematical fact that people can accomplish more working together than we can working against each other. Ayn Rand could not believe that because she was too afraid to trust any other human being on any kind of personal level. Sad, really. __________________ Hope insistent, trust implicit, love inherent, life immersed

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Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	At least a couple of her books, if not all of them, have the lead female characters getting raped but it's a "good thing" because it's acting on selfishness with no concern for the other party also the women being raped enjoy it. I'm not even fucking kidding. I wish I was. __________________ this post is about how to successfully H the Kimmy

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08-18-2010, 04:44 PM	#23
Funka Genocide Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,566	I mean I kind of get the whole "I'm better than those fuckers" vibe she puts out, but at the same time I'd like to think that the inherent hubris of success can be tempered with a humility born of experience. If you just had money thrown at you your whole life or are a complete sociopath its easy to see how you'd come to conclusions similar to Rand. But I'd like to think that most people have been royally fucked at some point in their lives, and thats the sort of thing that really puts objectivism in perspective. "Oh shit, I'm an intelligent, hard working person and I still got fucked... well damn." In order to succeed on the levels idealized by Rand and her ilk, you need to be born into privilege from the get go. You need to have some sort of leg up on the competition, whether you hit it big in the genetic lottery, have rich parents or simply aren't shot to death by freedom fighters before the age of 13, people born into shit live lives filled with it, and no amount of anecdotal fairy tale stories will ever overcome the reality of poverty.

08-18-2010, 04:51 PM	#24
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	But Rand's family lost thier wealth to a dirty mob made up of vagrants and poor people! How is that fair!!!!

08-18-2010, 05:17 PM	#27
Funka Genocide Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,566	This whole rape advocacy thing is news to me though. What are you guys talking about?

08-18-2010, 05:47 PM	#30
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	Relationships are pretty commuist when you think about it.