If you could take over a game company...

[Solid Snake]

Blues I don't think I ever disagreed with you more than I've disagreed with your last post.

You're going to try to fix Chrono Cross by throwing Chrono Trigger characters into the mix as playable characters? You're going to take a mediocre game that sucks because it tarnished Chrono Trigger's legacy and...allow it to tarnish Chrono Trigger's legacy even more?

I mean there's just no way you or anyone else at Squaresoft could possibly re-imagine Chrono Cross' storyline to do any justice to Trigger. All you'd really be doing is taking Chrono Trigger -- a perfect game that stands on its own merits and deserves to be left the hell alone and cherished forever as a masterpiece -- and ruining it. What you'd do to Chrono Trigger in your version of Chrono Cross would make FFX-2 look like a comparative gem of a sequel. Your Chrono Cross would throw shit onto the legacies of all the amazing characters in CT in such a way that I'd wish Squaresoft would've just mercy-killed the CT cast off instead.

Magus and Robo and Frog and Crono and Ayla and Marle, interacting with the likes of Serge and the talking voodoo strawman and the baby dragon and the bunny-chick, all of whom have zero character development and zero personality aside from generic accents? Kill me now. (And no, I don't think there's any way you could sufficiently develop the majority of Chrono Cross' cast. The vast majority of them are absolute vacant wastelands of inconsistent accents and cliches and annoying mannerisms.)

EDIT: Also the whole Magus/Guile twist concept is atrocious because Guile was a stupid, generic, bland, insipid character whereas Magus was the very definition of a lovable antihero badass in videogaming and attempting to retcon Magus into the role of Guile is such a terrible idea it literally could induce me to vomit.

[BitVyper]

I wouldn't mind a game specifically centred on Magus' quest to find Schala. Ignore all Chrono Cross continuity and just follow his story. That could be good. Not if it was done by current Square, mind, but if you got the original team back together...

[Solid Snake]

You know what'd be a great Chrono Cross reimagining?

Keep Chrono Cross exactly the way it is for the first eight or so hours. You know, just long enough for the storyline to kick into gear and for every gamer to realize that this piece of crap sucks compared to Trigger and is an absolute travesty of a sequel and would probably maim everything CT once stood for.

...Then, at random, in the middle of a cutscene before an epic battle, have Magus show up.

And have Magus kill everyone.
The end.

(...I'd love it.)

[BitVyper]

Eh, Cross wasn't that bad.

Also a game focused on Lucca doing mad science would have the potential to be fantastic. The PC could maybe be some little robot she made or something.

I would actually listen to the fans of the series.

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[Kim]

Chrono Catalyst: Wherein the Chrono Trigger team, being as strong as they were at the end of Chrono Trigger even at level one, have to defend the planet from an entire race of Lavos type creatures.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

Eh, Cross wasn't that bad.

The music was amazing, I'll give you that much.
I feel bad for Yasunori Mitsuda though. So much stellar effort invested into a soundtrack for a game that defecated over the legacy of the previous amazing soundtrack he worked on.

I'd say the only work of Mitsuda's that emerged unscathed was Xenogears, but then Disc 2 happened.

In all sincerity though, as I've said before, as a stonealone game and if it had no correlation whatsoever to Chrono Trigger and if it did not pretend to be Chrono Trigger's sequel, Chrono Cross could have been fine. An average JRPG with woefully underdeveloped characters and an at-times ludicrous storyline but a decent battle system and great music. Instead, they chose to maim Chrono Trigger. I do not forgive Squaresoft that egregious offense.

[BitVyper]

Now, what I would like to see is a Chrono sequel where Dalton attacks Guardia, is completely outmatched, and gets utterly wiped out on the first day of his war. Maybe you could play as Dalton himself.

[Wigmund]

Don't know who'd I take over to accomplish this:
But I'd have the company I conquer get hold of the Toady One and hold him hostage with all the resources and assistance I could muster and make him complete Dwarf Fortress with everything he desires and with gorgeous graphics and an easy-to-understand interface.

[Daimo Mac, The Blue Light of Hope]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

You know what'd be a great Chrono Cross reimagining?

Keep Chrono Cross exactly the way it is for the first eight or so hours. You know, just long enough for the storyline to kick into gear and for every gamer to realize that this piece of crap sucks compared to Trigger and is an absolute travesty of a sequel and would probably maim everything CT once stood for.

...Then, at random, in the middle of a cutscene before an epic battle, have Magus show up.

And have Magus kill everyone.
The end.

(...I'd love it.)

Goddammit I want to rep you so hard.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Blues I don't think I ever disagreed with you more than I've disagreed with your last post.

You're going to try to fix Chrono Cross by throwing Chrono Trigger characters into the mix as playable characters? You're going to take a mediocre game that sucks because it tarnished Chrono Trigger's legacy and...allow it to tarnish Chrono Trigger's legacy even more?

I mean there's just no way you or anyone else at Squaresoft could possibly re-imagine Chrono Cross' storyline to do any justice to Trigger. All you'd really be doing is taking Chrono Trigger -- a perfect game that stands on its own merits and deserves to be left the hell alone and cherished forever as a masterpiece -- and ruining it. What you'd do to Chrono Trigger in your version of Chrono Cross would make FFX-2 look like a comparative gem of a sequel. Your Chrono Cross would throw shit onto the legacies of all the amazing characters in CT in such a way that I'd wish Squaresoft would've just mercy-killed the CT cast off instead.

Magus and Robo and Frog and Crono and Ayla and Marle, interacting with the likes of Serge and the talking voodoo strawman and the baby dragon and the bunny-chick, all of whom have zero character development and zero personality aside from generic accents? Kill me now. (And no, I don't think there's any way you could sufficiently develop the majority of Chrono Cross' cast. The vast majority of them are absolute vacant wastelands of inconsistent accents and cliches and annoying mannerisms.)

EDIT: Also the whole Magus/Guile twist concept is atrocious because Guile was a stupid, generic, bland, insipid character whereas Magus was the very definition of a lovable antihero badass in videogaming and attempting to retcon Magus into the role of Guile is such a terrible idea it literally could induce me to vomit.

Okay, you know what? Step back from the computer and go take a shower or something. Listen to some music and cool off and then come back and read the rest of this post. I haven't seen an explosion like that since my cousin wired together enough firecrackers to be considered dynamite.




Ready to talk intelligently? Okay. You know what my proposal is? Square saying, "By God, we're sorry and we're fixing this shit." It's the LEAST they can do after making darn sure Cross was canon with CTDS. It would be a 20-hour apology for screwing stuff up so badly in the first place. And it can be done. How do I know? I'm a game writer. I have to think about these things for my own projects. If you're going to retcon, you can definitely do it with style.

To put it this way, I have arbitrarily solved all of your issues:
- the cast of CT is no longer dead
- the number of characters can be limited by allowing you to pick and choose any of them you want and leave others behind with simple and effective excuses
- you get a ton more time to develop the CC cast (if you haven't done so for some retarded reason in the CC remake I mentioned previously)
- Serge gets to redeem himself by saving the CT cast, Luccia and Kid get to see Lucca again, Guile gets to reveal himself as Magus and drop his "role" in favor of being badass again, thereby fixing many character issues



Now if you can drop the holier-than-thou attitude and actually consider that Chrono Trigger is a creation of flawed, squishy humans, and that flawed, squishy humans might actually be able to produce something that can compare and even FIX things you don't like, I think we can get back to intelligent intercourse.