Mass Effect 2

[Osterbaum]

I figured she could be trusted with making sure the nuke went off.

[Eltargrim]

I'm a control freak :p

[synkr0nized]

I never saw the advantage to using an AI-controlled character that was only good with guns. So, yeah, never used Ashley.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Mirai Gen

Ashley ruled and you all can fuck yourselves.

She would have been ok if she would have stopped talking about how much she hated/distrusted aliens for ten seconds.

She wouldn't, though.

Thus she got killed in every play through except the one or two in which I used her because when properly stated she is basically a wrecking ball.

Also, I liked Kaiden. Other than sounding like Carth they were really nothing alike. Kaiden had every reason to be a distrustful paranoid prick, but he actually came out exactly the opposite. While Carth had, at best, shitty reasons for being a distrustful paranoid prick, and totally was.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Krylo

She would have been ok if she would have stopped talking about how much she hated/distrusted aliens for ten seconds.

But I mean, could you blame her? Humanity was a relatively recent addition to the intelligent species of the galaxy, right? They fought a costly against one of the strongest alien factions, in fact. The aliens didn't really give humans positions of any power or authority, and I dunno, I felt I could sympathize with her somewhat. It's one thing to be racist or discriminatory to individuals of a different color or creed who're also humans and who've existed and interacted with your ancestors for centuries, but it's quite another to be suspicious and distrustful towards a bunch of aliens with completely different histories, cultures, biological compositions, and identities who've just suddenly become a part of the human story. I don't think I'd be comfortable if I woke up tomorrow and my worldview was shaken by news reports of the discovery of an entire galaxy worth of disparate aliens and Intergalactic institutions. How would you know what their intentions were? And given their superior technology, a certain degree of paranoia makes intuitive sense: they could destroy humanity without blinking an eye at any moment if they wanted to.

[Melfice]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

But I mean, could you blame her? Humanity was a relatively recent addition to the intelligent species of the galaxy, right? They fought a costly against one of the strongest alien factions, in fact. The aliens didn't really give humans positions of any power or authority, and I dunno, I felt I could sympathize with her somewhat. It's one thing to be racist or discriminatory to individuals of a different color or creed who're also humans and who've existed and interacted with your ancestors for centuries, but it's quite another to be suspicious and distrustful towards a bunch of aliens with completely different histories, cultures, biological compositions, and identities who've just suddenly become a part of the human story. I don't think I'd be comfortable if I woke up tomorrow and my worldview was shaken by news reports of the discovery of an entire galaxy worth of disparate aliens and Intergalactic institutions. How would you know what their intentions were? And given their superior technology, a certain degree of paranoia makes intuitive sense: they could destroy humanity without blinking an eye at any moment if they wanted to.

If I recall correctly, while it was a tough war and the Turians WERE more powerful, the humans were pretty much on equal footing with them.
Though I may be wrong, as it's been a while.

That said, yeah. I kinda see where Ashley was coming from.

"We" found a Mass Relay. Started colonizing planets, and suddenly we're attacked by the Turians for something the Turians did themselves. More than that, the humans were attacked for doing what the Turians did and being good at defending themselves while doing it.

Scrap that. The humans were attacked for opening too many Mass Relays.

[synkr0nized]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

And given their superior technology, a certain degree of paranoia makes intuitive sense: they could destroy humanity without blinking an eye at any moment if they wanted to.

Wait. Isn't the Normandy proof that, though we had some help, we can make better stuff? Besides, once you reverse-engineer from the Mass Relays, your technology isn't really behind the other races' anymore. Also, humanity fought back the Turians. In fact, throughout the first game it's mostly the Turian council member who has the most negative things to say about humans/Shepherd, likely a side effect of this AND his race's relative newness to the Council. The other races you meet, while maybe having some stereotypes about us just as we do of them, are hardly as negative or worthy of Ashley's near-racism.


Kaidan was pretty neat, I thought, especially as you learn more about his training. But maybe that's my first character talking, since they did become an item.


I was always amused at the "oh no we can't trust the aliens" bit that most of the human NPCs stick to and yet there I am taking out non-humans as my party members almost every time (Kaidan aside for that character).

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

But I mean, could you blame her? Humanity was a relatively recent addition to the intelligent species of the galaxy, right? They fought a costly against one of the strongest alien factions, in fact. The aliens didn't really give humans positions of any power or authority, and I dunno, I felt I could sympathize with her somewhat. It's one thing to be racist or discriminatory to individuals of a different color or creed who're also humans and who've existed and interacted with your ancestors for centuries, but it's quite another to be suspicious and distrustful towards a bunch of aliens with completely different histories, cultures, biological compositions, and identities who've just suddenly become a part of the human story. I don't think I'd be comfortable if I woke up tomorrow and my worldview was shaken by news reports of the discovery of an entire galaxy worth of disparate aliens and Intergalactic institutions. How would you know what their intentions were? And given their superior technology, a certain degree of paranoia makes intuitive sense: they could destroy humanity without blinking an eye at any moment if they wanted to.

Don't care. Bigots get no mercy. 'Specially when the bigot in question has no real experience on the matter and is likely having their ass saved by cover fire from friendly Alien allies.

Originally Posted by DFM

I like how the Turian strike force sacked one human colony and figured that was the human race in its entirety, now subjugated.

Whoop what's this it's the second fleet say hello to Admiral Drescher.

"Hot damn I say, good sir. I think that bringing the entirety of one race to heel in one outing is quite a good record of productivity, don't you say? now then, What shall we have for luOH FUCK HUMANS EVERYWHERE"

[Mirai Gen]

Originally Posted by Krylo

She would have been ok if she would have stopped talking about how much she hated/distrusted aliens for ten seconds.

She wouldn't, though.

Thus she got killed in every play through except the one or two in which I used her because when properly stated she is basically a wrecking ball.

This is basically the reason I liked her. Kaiden might have been a cooler character cause he didn't fall back to "I HATE MYSELF SOME TOURIANS" but I could pretty much plow through anything with Ashley taking the front.

Plus there's something kind of cool about having "The Hot Chick" in a wRPG being one of the higher-damaging tank classes.

[Melfice]

The Normandy's actually a joint-effort between humanity's and Turian's best engineers.
But as I understand it, most of the biggest technological features are human.

EDIT: Ooh, sneaky. Editing in that "though we had some help".
Yeah, disregard me.