If you could take over a game company...

[Meister]

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

Also I want to put in options where you don't have to solve all problems with huge amounts of violence.

Holy Christ a thousand times this. "Oh no, he's dead! I promised myself I wouldn't kill people here! Oh well whatever, now that I've started I might as well murder everyone in the world."

Also: whichever company gets the license to make a D&D 4E game, you guys are mine and combat will be turn-based.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Meister

Holy Christ a thousand times this.

That would be nice, but I'd probably end up picking the violent options over half the time anyway, just 'cause fuck talking.

I mean, Mass Effect pretty much proved that one to me. "You can either talk to this obnoxious reporter or punch her in the stupid fucking mouth."

Yup. I'm punchin' a bitch in the mouth.

[Solid Snake]

The thing about Chrono Cross is that it would have been a pretty decent game, if it had absolutely no correlation whatsoever with Chrono Trigger.
...I feel like I made a nearly identical point regarding another Square-Enix RPG and its sequel last night.

...At least this time, Krylo might agree with me! =)

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

The thing about Chrono Cross is that it would have been a pretty decent game, if it had absolutely no correlation whatsoever with Chrono Trigger.

And had a few months longer in development and more money and fewer characters.

[Solid Snake]

Blues I don't think I ever disagreed with you more than I've disagreed with your last post.

You're going to try to fix Chrono Cross by throwing Chrono Trigger characters into the mix as playable characters? You're going to take a mediocre game that sucks because it tarnished Chrono Trigger's legacy and...allow it to tarnish Chrono Trigger's legacy even more?

I mean there's just no way you or anyone else at Squaresoft could possibly re-imagine Chrono Cross' storyline to do any justice to Trigger. All you'd really be doing is taking Chrono Trigger -- a perfect game that stands on its own merits and deserves to be left the hell alone and cherished forever as a masterpiece -- and ruining it. What you'd do to Chrono Trigger in your version of Chrono Cross would make FFX-2 look like a comparative gem of a sequel. Your Chrono Cross would throw shit onto the legacies of all the amazing characters in CT in such a way that I'd wish Squaresoft would've just mercy-killed the CT cast off instead.

Magus and Robo and Frog and Crono and Ayla and Marle, interacting with the likes of Serge and the talking voodoo strawman and the baby dragon and the bunny-chick, all of whom have zero character development and zero personality aside from generic accents? Kill me now. (And no, I don't think there's any way you could sufficiently develop the majority of Chrono Cross' cast. The vast majority of them are absolute vacant wastelands of inconsistent accents and cliches and annoying mannerisms.)

EDIT: Also the whole Magus/Guile twist concept is atrocious because Guile was a stupid, generic, bland, insipid character whereas Magus was the very definition of a lovable antihero badass in videogaming and attempting to retcon Magus into the role of Guile is such a terrible idea it literally could induce me to vomit.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Blues I don't think I ever disagreed with you more than I've disagreed with your last post.

You're going to try to fix Chrono Cross by throwing Chrono Trigger characters into the mix as playable characters? You're going to take a mediocre game that sucks because it tarnished Chrono Trigger's legacy and...allow it to tarnish Chrono Trigger's legacy even more?

I mean there's just no way you or anyone else at Squaresoft could possibly re-imagine Chrono Cross' storyline to do any justice to Trigger. All you'd really be doing is taking Chrono Trigger -- a perfect game that stands on its own merits and deserves to be left the hell alone and cherished forever as a masterpiece -- and ruining it. What you'd do to Chrono Trigger in your version of Chrono Cross would make FFX-2 look like a comparative gem of a sequel. Your Chrono Cross would throw shit onto the legacies of all the amazing characters in CT in such a way that I'd wish Squaresoft would've just mercy-killed the CT cast off instead.

Magus and Robo and Frog and Crono and Ayla and Marle, interacting with the likes of Serge and the talking voodoo strawman and the baby dragon and the bunny-chick, all of whom have zero character development and zero personality aside from generic accents? Kill me now. (And no, I don't think there's any way you could sufficiently develop the majority of Chrono Cross' cast. The vast majority of them are absolute vacant wastelands of inconsistent accents and cliches and annoying mannerisms.)

EDIT: Also the whole Magus/Guile twist concept is atrocious because Guile was a stupid, generic, bland, insipid character whereas Magus was the very definition of a lovable antihero badass in videogaming and attempting to retcon Magus into the role of Guile is such a terrible idea it literally could induce me to vomit.

Okay, you know what? Step back from the computer and go take a shower or something. Listen to some music and cool off and then come back and read the rest of this post. I haven't seen an explosion like that since my cousin wired together enough firecrackers to be considered dynamite.




Ready to talk intelligently? Okay. You know what my proposal is? Square saying, "By God, we're sorry and we're fixing this shit." It's the LEAST they can do after making darn sure Cross was canon with CTDS. It would be a 20-hour apology for screwing stuff up so badly in the first place. And it can be done. How do I know? I'm a game writer. I have to think about these things for my own projects. If you're going to retcon, you can definitely do it with style.

To put it this way, I have arbitrarily solved all of your issues:
- the cast of CT is no longer dead
- the number of characters can be limited by allowing you to pick and choose any of them you want and leave others behind with simple and effective excuses
- you get a ton more time to develop the CC cast (if you haven't done so for some retarded reason in the CC remake I mentioned previously)
- Serge gets to redeem himself by saving the CT cast, Luccia and Kid get to see Lucca again, Guile gets to reveal himself as Magus and drop his "role" in favor of being badass again, thereby fixing many character issues



Now if you can drop the holier-than-thou attitude and actually consider that Chrono Trigger is a creation of flawed, squishy humans, and that flawed, squishy humans might actually be able to produce something that can compare and even FIX things you don't like, I think we can get back to intelligent intercourse.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

Okay, you know what? Step back from the computer and go take a shower or something. Listen to some music and cool off and then come back and read the rest of this post. I haven't seen an explosion like that since my cousin wired together enough firecrackers to be considered dynamite.

...Uhh...

Am I...missing something?

Because I'm pretty sure there was nothing in my post that remotely resembled an explosion. I mean I wasn't even remotely offended with your post. I disagreed with it? I expressed that I disagreed with it? I made a single sentence of a fairly innocuous joke that simply established that I disagreed with you? And then I kind of dropped you out of the picture altogether, and just critiqued the idea of Chrono Trigger characters appearing as playable characters in Chrono Cross?
But trust me, as someone who just likes playing the role of the CT fanboy who despises the manner in which Chrono Cross destroyed its predecessor: I wasn't remotely upset. Or taking anything remotely seriously.

Ready to talk intelligently? Okay.

That's a little...unnecessarily insulting, don't you think?
I mean the worst I said about you was, what, I disagreed with you? That shouldn't make me unintelligent, bro. =)
(Not quite sure where the 'holier than thou' part comes into play, really.)

You know what my proposal is? Square saying, "By God, we're sorry and we're fixing this shit." It's the LEAST they can do after making darn sure Cross was canon with CTDS. It would be a 20-hour apology for screwing stuff up so badly in the first place. And it can be done. How do I know? I'm a game writer. I have to think about these things for my own projects. If you're going to retcon, you can definitely do it with style.

::shrug:: I mean we'd have to agree to disagree, then. From my perspective, there's really no way you could possibly salvage Chrono Cross, no matter how great a writer you or anyone else is: if you were to attempt to do so, you'd change so many essential plot twists and storyline developments and character progression that the game wouldn't look anything like Chrono Cross anymore. It'd be a fallacy to identify said theoretical sequel as Chrono Cross.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

I think we can get back to intelligent intercourse.

Not as long as you continue pretending like Chrono Cross is anything but completely terrible from start to finish.

[bluestarultor]

Originally Posted by Krylo

Not as long as you continue pretending like Chrono Cross is anything but completely terrible from start to finish.

Oh, it is in many ways, but it's a fixable kind of terrible in all cases. It's unfinished. What I'd like to do is finish it and fix some of the worse flaws. The seed of a good game is in there. It just needs a bit more TLC.

[Mesden]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

Now if you can drop the holier-than-thou attitude and actually consider that Chrono Trigger is a creation of flawed, squishy humans, and that flawed, squishy humans might actually be able to produce something that can compare and even FIX things you don't like, I think we can get back to intelligent intercourse.

ahahaha Snake's avatar makes this so much better.