Premmy's Big-Long Anti-Racism thread.

[Funka Genocide]

Racism is propogated by ignorance, ignorance is a byproduct of insufficient education, insufficient education is a product of being poor.

Basically, I feel that racism is something only poor people espouse or deal with regularly, minus the few wacky old rich coots.

The problem with American society isn't really racism as it is distinction of class and a lack of opportunity for the underpriviliged. I've personally never had to deal with any serious form of racism (denial of services, job related harassment etc. etc.) and I am a minority. I've never used any form of affirmative action nor have I ever applied for a job as a minority applicant, and I always get hired due to my qualifications. All this coupled with the fact that my family is poor as fuck lead me to believe that anyone who plays the race card as an explanation as to why their life sucks is probably delusional. I've seen many success stories from people who came to America barely able to speak english, and through hard work and perseverence managed to build a happy and successful life. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to raise one' self out of poverty, but honestly the color of your skin is not going to stop you.

Of course everyone (yes everyone, even white people) has to deal with some form of racism in their life. But for the most part these are relegated to off color comments or insults. Whoopty fuckin' do. I don't do it, you probably don't do it, some people do do it. I think this is the point you were trying to make about "some people are dicks" but honestly, that's the worst you should have to deal with in life. (barring some psychopath or something.)

A few minor cultural quirks aside (do you use tortillas or wonderbread? who the fuck cares?) race means pretty much nothing to most successful americans, all that matters is the all mighty dollar. So if I were you, I'd start worrying about the real problem, which is endemic ignorance of various American subcultures and the redistribution of financial resources for the elevation of the downtrodden masses (who aren't just black.)

As for everyone is racist, I suppose there's some truth to that. Maybe it's not necessarily racism as culture based discrimination though. For example, I had to catch myself the other day as I went on a tirade against "beer swilling rednecks." That's really fucking racist. My views have gotten to the point where I consider such inoccuous activities as enjoying NASCAR or recreational hunting to be condemning activities. It's really easy to go off the deep end with stuff like this, and while my views are derived not from the color of people's skins but from their ways of life, they're still unfair and judgmental.

I think this is a good, thought provoking topic, maybe something educational will arise from it.

[DFM]

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

Racism is propogated by ignorance, ignorance is a byproduct of insufficient education, insufficient education is a product of being poor.

Poor people are racist, you're off to a good start, Funka.

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

The problem with American society isn't really racism as it is distinction of class and a lack of opportunity for the underpriviliged.

There isn't a "The Problem" with American society, there are ten billion "The Problem"s and yes racism is a huge one. I don't understand how you can say it isn't. How many minority presidents have we had? How many Supreme Court judges? What's the ratio of minority to Caucasian leaders in every branch of the federal government? How many American history classes start with goddamn Columbus?

Yes, class division is also a huge "The Problem" and it does tie in with racism, it ties in very strongly, but they aren't the same problem and fixing one isn't going to magically fix the other.

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

I've personally never had to deal with any serious form of racism (denial of services, job related harassment etc. etc.) and I am a minority. I've never used any form of affirmative action nor have I ever applied for a job as a minority applicant, and I always get hired due to my qualifications. All this coupled with the fact that my family is poor as fuck lead me to believe that anyone who plays the race card as an explanation as to why their life sucks is probably delusional.

"I haven't seen it so it doesn't exist you lazy goddamn bums." This is your entire point, you're saying that you're poor (And somehow neither racist or uneducated, despite your very first sentence in this post) and a minority, and that you pulled yourself up by the bootstraps and made something of yourself, which obviously means your experiences are applicable to the majority of underprivileged minorities growing up in the inner city so if they're still in the inner city by the time they're thirty and not living in a suburb somewhere with a white collar job and two point five kids, it's because... what, exactly? Do you really think a white person growing up in the inner city wouldn't have an easier time getting out than a minority?

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

I've seen many success stories from people who came to America barely able to speak english, and through hard work and perseverence managed to build a happy and successful life. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to raise one' self out of poverty, but honestly the color of your skin is not going to stop you.

This post is maybe the most delusional thing I've ever heard out of a regular contributer to these forums.

It's so... Republican.

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

Of course everyone (yes everyone, even white people) has to deal with some form of racism in their life. But for the most part these are relegated to off color comments or insults. Whoopty fuckin' do. I don't do it, you probably don't do it, some people do do it. I think this is the point you were trying to make about "some people are dicks" but honestly, that's the worst you should have to deal with in life. (barring some psychopath or something.)

No. That's not what anyone is talking about. We're not talking about a white guy getting called gringo on the bus and crying racism. We're talking about the one white guy in a company of minorities getting promotion after promotion, faster and higher than anyone else even though he doesn't really work any harder or is any better at his job. We're talking about prisons with an ungodly disproportionate number of minority to Caucasian inmates. Cops with otherwise impeccable records who don't hesitate to shoot unarmed minorities or beat them to death. This is a huge fucking problem and just because you're either too sheltered or too ignorant to see doesn't mean it's going to just go away.

Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

A few minor cultural quirks aside (do you use tortillas or wonderbread? who the fuck cares?) race means pretty much nothing to most successful americans, all that matters is the all mighty dollar.

Ah, yes, of course. That's why all those CEOs that were mentioned earlier are white. Why all of their executives are white. Why there's an incredible scarcity of minorities in the upper echelons of almost every Fortune or Global 500 company. Since America is obviously some kind of meritocracy, that must mean that white people are just better than minorities. Otherwise they wouldn't be there, right?

[Premmy]

Before I say anything else I think we need to avoid falling into a White folks/Black folks Dichotomy in our discussion.
edit: and Geminex, I swear to GOD, change the avatar! It makes me want to punch the world.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Premonitions

Geminex, I swear to GOD, change the avatar! It makes me want to punch the world.

You know, until I read this, I never thought of Jinx as a black caricature with the dark skin and giant lips.

Now I can't stop seeing it.

I'm not sure if I should hate you or Nintendo more for this new turn of events.

[01d55]

Originally Posted by Premonitions

edit: and Geminex, I swear to GOD, change the avatar! It makes me want to punch the world.

A man like you "does'nt" have any right to complain about that sort of thing.

[Premmy]

When did you get a vagina? I've seen your hairy chest, man.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by Premonitions

When did you get a vagina? I've seen your hairy chest, man.

...When did you start watching me undress?

[Premmy]

When you got so damn sexy, precious.
Edit: I'm actually going to seriously debate, But there's butt-loads of sources I have to rustle up, so for now, I'm sticking to Skeeving on people and trying to lightly guide the discussion in a positive direction.

Funka, there's some rather insulting stuff in your post, might wanna re-read it.

[Premmy]

Dude, Mr Popo. Japan Loves them some Sambos.

[Krylo]

I think it was the fact that Jinx is some kind of hideous inhuman monster + the blonde hair that kept me from noticing it. Or maybe it was the age at which I first saw it, and I never really looked at it again.

I don't know.

All I know is I miss my ignorance, and now Gem's avatar makes me want to punch everything, too.