Pokemon Umbral Discussion 25: Pokegeddon Returns

[Geminex]

Ok, how about now?

And I've been thinking... We've been doing quad damage before, against Ruin types. You remember how much it took to kill one of them? Took a lot. If our current foes had, say, Omnisroth-scale power... would they die from our assault? Because I think that they have Omnisroth-like defense and HP. At least.

[Dracorion]

We've killed Omnisroths with way less attacks before.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Super Fang + Dragon Attack + 1 other attack = Dead Omnisroth

That's the equation from what I recall.

[Geminex]

Really? When? Assuming Super-Fang works... Last time we killed an Omnisroth, we cut its health in half, hit it with three quad-effective attacks. We also halved its defense. So if they're as survivable as an Omnisroth, it might actually be fairly close. And we're not certain to take down Frosqueen either...

Ok, and one more thing: Instead of having moon's kingdra use hydro pump, have him deploy fathom, and use helping hand on Impact. ^^

[Dracorion]

... Eh, yeah, okay.

[Geminex]

Omnisroth. That's the big one, isn't it?. We've only fought two of them, ever. One in the vault, one in the mansion.

But ok, we'll go with Drac's modification of my plan. It might work.

[Dracorion]

Right, so:

Moon: Lanturn's Signal Beam at Gardenoir, Fathom to use Helping Hand on Impact.

Rachel: Leave combat to use two rage rockets on Impact. Leaves combat, so hopefully immune to damage.

Impact: Dark ambition, leaving him with 0 Rage. Use second adrenaline boost. Attack Frossqueen with Flamethrower. STAB super-effective. Request Swarm Bow in exchange for Flamethrower.

Charlotte: Spitz' Super Fang on Pegidash, Hammond to use Stone Edge on Pegidash.

Renny: Use Serene blessing (Charlotte's enforcer and Milsha to spend 35 rage to extend protection to Matt and Impact). Mollesk to use Rock Slide on Frossqueen, Swampert to Mimic Stone Edge on Frossqueen. We can test flinching another time.

Pierce: Tyranitar with Stone Edge on Pegidash, Blaziken with Overheat on Frosqueen.

Matt: Venomoth form, use sleep powder on Regina

Harliette: Mineral shot on Pegidash, Blissey's sing, also on Regina, deploy Illumise, Bug Buzz on Gardenoir.

Wilhelmina: Nether Shot on Frossqueen.

Trainer Attacks at Pegidash. If it's dead, target Frossqueen.

Gardenoir: Two quad-effective attacks.
Regina: Sleep Powder and Sing.
Frossqueen: Five super-effective attacks.
Pegidash: Super Fang, three quad-effective attacks. Charlotte's and Pierce's Trainer Attacks.

Threw in Fathom using Helping Hand on Impact.

[Geminex]

That's it. Maybe even better than my version, you use Wilhelmina better.
Let's do it, have Pierce suggest that they should hit Frosqueen instead of Altarisect. Impact will agree.
Let's do it.

[Bard The 5th LW]

Well i'm probably just imagining Omnisroth as being a bit easy because we've never fought that many of them at a time. I think three was the most at once.

But yeah, if these are all the strength of an Omnisroth, or more, then this will be a tough match to get through.

[Menarker]

I just got back home and I'm getting all the blame before I could defend myself!

1: The current plan can hardly be called "defensive". I tried to make the plan really defensive, but Drac rejected it utterly saying that it costs way too much RP. But the current set up... Only protects Renny, Impact and Matthias? (and maybe Rachel and Wilhelmina) Hardly defensive in my book. I tried to propose the ultra defensive plan which still had lots of offence (since you didn't lose your ability to attack and still gained rage from that), but Drac rejected it. So I proposed something with offense that could be shifted into defence.

2: My "proposed" plan wasn't meant to be a defiance of your tactics, but a possible alternative. (Since Drac wanted to use his Co-Op technique and doesn't want to spend rage on using Protect.) Consider this. My contribution via Rocket Boosting the party could also serve in a defensive manner if you wanted to take it that way. The rage can be saved for next turn, for when Rachel can pay to uses more items on the party, Moon can put a Special Defense device (he could even do it the current turn with my plan), Renny could activate Serene Blessing, but this time with the party having more RP than they had before (and for when we saw what the foes had to offer). Other people could use rage for whatever they wanted. Offense, Defense. The rage could be saved for next turn.
Yes the plan could be used offensively (and I built it looking like that to plactate Drac who wanted to use his Hellfire above all else) but it could have also been used defensively.

3: I thought using Wilhelmina ability was good because it also boosts her defence by 5 stages. Plus with Slayer getting boosted rage generation and 2 attacks, she'd get 20 rage per turn. With a rocket boost or two, she could do her Signature Attack every other turn or so.

4: If Renny uses Propserous Gifts, he has 40 rage to build up on for Serene Blessing later on. A rocket boost and an attack later, he could use Serene Blessing the turn after.

So honestly, I'm just saying that having Renny use Serene Blessing only to protect 2 other people is an waste of his RP, since payment option is only available on that turn.

Originally Posted by Dracorion

Nope. I didn't like Menarker's plan either. I was all for limiting our RP expending. I'll admit, I got rather carried away with Signature Technique spam.

Oh please, you weren't for limiting RP spending. You wanted to use Co-Op technique, instead of the Protect thing despite...
A: Pure Offense, Opposite of Gem's plan at the time.
B: More expensive (100 RP) than Protect (70 for 2 pokemon)