Pokemon Umbral Discussion 34: all your base... - Page 3

Bard The 5th LW · 08-03-2010, 02:53 PM

I see.

My main concern was actually that Mio was Myrie. I forgot the name of Ricewood's daughter.

Pretty heavy nightmare fuel no matter what though. In fact, that post just plain creeped me the fuck out.

Menarker · 08-03-2010, 03:11 PM

You do bring up an interesting point though...

If we're using out of character knowledge, Faynoc's mission was to kidnap Myrie and then lure her mother Jeanette out in the open to kill her. The problem is that girl is clearly not Myrie, but Mio. Unless she was brainwashed to accept a different name... except claiming to be someone other than Myrie would hinder the chances of Jeanette recognizing her daughter and thus falling for the bait. The same would be true if he attempted to change Myrie's looks to look older. Do it too much and Jeanette might not recognize/believe the result to actually be Myrie.

Why would Faynoc be in the plaza in the first place, aside from potentially drumming up supporters? If he has Myrie, why did he not discretly send Jeanette a message? If he doesn't have Myrie, why does he think Myrie would be in the crowd to kidnap her? If he already sent the message, why does he expect Jeanette to mistake Mio for Myrie, especially if there is that age difference?
This is ignoring the possiblity that the message was sent, and Jeanette came for her daughter, but Faynoc didn't bring the real girl along to be cruel/spiteful (and avoiding the chance that the two actually could reunite and get away) and because the girl is also a genetic commander... but we don't know if Faynoc knows that the commanding gene is genetically passed on.

Another thing that bugs me is that re-reading an earlier post, we find out that Idolus wants the Genetic Commanders dead (and he knows that Jeanette is one). Would that change at all since they have a truce with PATCA? (Lexhur might not know about this since this info was discovered/revealed after he defected.) Or are they in the truce only long enough for them for Jeanette to reveal her location before they do the same break-in shit that they did in order to break out Lexhur from the "secure" PATCA headquarters"?

@Drac: Your quick threshold is not so much high, but very specific. >_> Most of the time, you're good. Stuff like Ash crossdressing on the other hand... you had broken down easily. ^^;

Bard The 5th LW · 08-03-2010, 03:19 PM

The ash cross-dressing thing didn't really bother me all that much, I just kept going along with it because it bothered Drac so much.There was a lot of invisible text in those posts.

This however, makes me a bit nauseous.

Menarker · 08-03-2010, 03:21 PM

For me, it was less squick and more "I love to hate Faynoc" in much the same manner as most people love to hate Umbridge from Harry Potter.

I sympathize with your empathy though. Despite this being a very much outrageous and outgoing RP, it's good to see that the serious stuff is taken with all the gravity it deserves.

Bard The 5th LW · 08-03-2010, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Mio is not Myrie

This only makes me feel slightly better.

Well good thing my PC doesn't give a shit.

But Pierce and Renny, God all of those morals and that integrity is really going to put a damper on things.

You really should have put points towards sociopathy.

Bard The 5th LW · 08-03-2010, 04:27 PM

Yes, and killing a brainwashed 10 year old is justice!

Bard The 5th LW · 08-03-2010, 04:40 PM

WOOHOO!

I suppose Charlotte has had her fill of child killing anyways. She's already taken out Moera, and she offered to kill Regina (or whatever her name is).

Edit: She'll have to finish him off with judgment as well, because it is thematically appropriate.

Menarker · 08-03-2010, 07:52 PM

Oh, I'm not going to be building paragraphs upon paragraphs of summed up details. It'll basically be something like...

Topics covered: Updates granted. Debate on *Insert disputed topic*. Discussion related to which RP related combat or character interaction.

Basically, a sort of footnote, so you know which discussion thread is which for when you're searching for a particular post or line of debate that you recall, but don't know which thread.

I promise, it'll be damn useful though. ^^

Menarker · 08-04-2010, 01:27 AM

If the question is "Does Sturdy interfere with trying to use Explosion", then the answer is "No, it doesn't", since there are several families of pokemons like Geodudes, Magnemites, Pinco and such that all have a Self-Destruct move and the Sturdy Ability.

If the question is, "Does Sturdy combo with Explosion in any way like preventing loss of life while still doing the attack", the answer is "HELL NO". As evident with pokemons like geodudes and magnemites that have the ability but still kill themselves with Explosions, there is emperical evidence that the two do not combine in any manner. Or at least in any way useful.

And if the question is "Does Sturdy protect from Explosion from others" then the answer is "You wish. It only protects against OHKO moves, despite the sheer high power of Explosion and such."

If you want the most powerful single Explosion possible, then you would want Lickilicky who can not only learn Explosion, but gains STAB from it and can wear the Silk Scarf to boost its power even further, making it the single most powerful move in the game legitly (Power of 540 in a massive AOE radius to boot). (Technically, Smergle can do that too, but its ATK stat at 20 is so piss poor, it's barely more than Shuckle as compared to Lickilicky's more respectable base ATK of 85.)

Menarker · 08-04-2010, 12:28 PM

>_> I can only imagine someone is going to suppose that Explosions from pokemons like Lickilicky and Stuntank come from some massive fart explosion that rips off its own asshole in the process or something. >_<

ANYHOW, TACTICS! I got a busy day today, so I'm not going to make a huge plan atm. Just a brief proposal.

[Seviper Pokemerc] [HoA Acolyte A (Flinch)] [Kingdra Pokebrid] [Dominated Civilian] [Golduck Pokebrid] [Mio Kazetsubaki <Boss>] [Millenium Battlebot] [Noctowl Pokemerc (Sleep/Paralysis)] [Cradily Pokemerc] [Toxicroak Pokemerc] [HoA Acolyte B (Sleep)]

WAIT A MINUTE!?

AB: Why is Kingdra pokebrid still in the formation? Your recent RP post stated that Harliette knocked it out in the end after a series of attacks.

Also, forgive me for forgetting... Did you say there was a specific way to fracture armor like the ones on the mech? Or just a lot of heavy damage? Or a specific move like the HM Rock Smash works better?

Also, you had the HoA Acolyte flinched. According to this, it was supposed to be immune to that... The only time it was "flinched" last time was due to Pierce's Null Turn.
HoA Acolyte: Basic Slayer units of the Harbingers of Ascension. Devotion to the cause lends them strength, but little else. Although it doesn't exactly help our group...

- Slayer Attacks: Kris Slash (Steel, 50% Bleed) / Assassin Dart (Ghost, 25% Instant Death) / Powder Bomb (100% Flinch, ACC -1) / Flash Stab (Dark, 50% Flinch) / Firebomb (Fire, 50% Burn)
- Slayer Defenses: Steel, Ghost, Dark, Fire -50% / Flinch, Bleed, Burn Immunity / Physical Counter 100%
- Signature Technique: Sacrifical Lamb ~ Self Targeted, 50% Transform. If failed, Death is afflicted. The cultist takes out a syringe and injects himself or herself. More successful during Low Morale and Overwhelming Tide. Costs 0/100 Rage.

[Seviper Pokemerc] [HoA Acolyte A (Flinch)] [Golduck Pokebrid] [Mio Kazetsubaki <Boss>] [Millenium Battlebot] [Noctowl Pokemerc (Sleep/Paralysis)] [Cradily Pokemerc] [Toxicroak Pokemerc] [HoA Acolyte B (Sleep)]

There... now that I altered the formation a bit to reflect the real number of troops...

Hmmm... due to there being too many foes immune to physical or to statuses (Battlebot, Golduck in Paradigm mode and Mio), and some other foes beaten in much more effective ways, I don't think Pierce's Null turn ability is useful anymore... >_>

Cradily: Can be OHKOED. Wilhelmina should get rage rockets so she can take care of it ASAP.

Toxicroak: Air Slash from either Togekiss or Shaymin will flinch it 100% and do heavy damage. No point wasting more resources on it when we can defeat it slowly without retribution. Note however that he must be taken out with some speed since he regains health when exposed to water (such as the water fountain water that is at the foe's feet.)

Battlebot: If we can get Matt to hack it, great. Otherwise, we'll take care of it the same way we deal with mechs.

Noctowl: Already weaken. Another two special typed electric attacks should finish it (I say two because of the water weakening it a bit in exchange for splash effect.) Because Cradily should be OHKOed by now, the splash should be hitting Toxicroak for neutral damage, but speeding up the process of knocking him out.

Seviper: Needs to be hit with special type attacks, preferably Psychic typed or Earth Power. (Immune to physical moves and thus our OKHO and our Super Fang). Status moves have a chance to fall off him.

HoA Acolyte: Should probably be dealt with before they spam their 100% flinch move or attempt to suicide themselves into a super mode. EDIT: Just realized they could be OHKOed too, if we're willing to spend the rage doing that next turn on Wilhelmina or something.

Golduck Pokebrid: Packs a decent punch and large movepool, but nothing super special otherwise. Has no weaknesses and is immune to status conditions. Probably best to ignore.

Mio: Focus what's left of our attacks on her. We should cure Pierce's Palkia and have it go Testament Drive on her for MASSIVE Quad Effective Dragon type damage. ^^

If you got a objection to the above, don't bother complaining to me. Just elaborate a "better" one. I got a busy day ahead of me and I might not be able to respond for quite a while.

08-03-2010, 03:11 PM	#2
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	You do bring up an interesting point though... If we're using out of character knowledge, Faynoc's mission was to kidnap Myrie and then lure her mother Jeanette out in the open to kill her. The problem is that girl is clearly not Myrie, but Mio. Unless she was brainwashed to accept a different name... except claiming to be someone other than Myrie would hinder the chances of Jeanette recognizing her daughter and thus falling for the bait. The same would be true if he attempted to change Myrie's looks to look older. Do it too much and Jeanette might not recognize/believe the result to actually be Myrie. Why would Faynoc be in the plaza in the first place, aside from potentially drumming up supporters? If he has Myrie, why did he not discretly send Jeanette a message? If he doesn't have Myrie, why does he think Myrie would be in the crowd to kidnap her? If he already sent the message, why does he expect Jeanette to mistake Mio for Myrie, especially if there is that age difference? This is ignoring the possiblity that the message was sent, and Jeanette came for her daughter, but Faynoc didn't bring the real girl along to be cruel/spiteful (and avoiding the chance that the two actually could reunite and get away) and because the girl is also a genetic commander... but we don't know if Faynoc knows that the commanding gene is genetically passed on. Another thing that bugs me is that re-reading an earlier post, we find out that Idolus wants the Genetic Commanders dead (and he knows that Jeanette is one). Would that change at all since they have a truce with PATCA? (Lexhur might not know about this since this info was discovered/revealed after he defected.) Or are they in the truce only long enough for them for Jeanette to reveal her location before they do the same break-in shit that they did in order to break out Lexhur from the "secure" PATCA headquarters"? @Drac: Your quick threshold is not so much high, but very specific. >_> Most of the time, you're good. Stuff like Ash crossdressing on the other hand... you had broken down easily. ^^; __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL! Last edited by Menarker; 08-03-2010 at 03:16 PM.

08-03-2010, 03:21 PM	#4
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	For me, it was less squick and more "I love to hate Faynoc" in much the same manner as most people love to hate Umbridge from Harry Potter. I sympathize with your empathy though. Despite this being a very much outrageous and outgoing RP, it's good to see that the serious stuff is taken with all the gravity it deserves. __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL!

08-03-2010, 04:40 PM	#7
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	WOOHOO! I suppose Charlotte has had her fill of child killing anyways. She's already taken out Moera, and she offered to kill Regina (or whatever her name is). Edit: She'll have to finish him off with judgment as well, because it is thematically appropriate. Last edited by Bard The 5th LW; 08-03-2010 at 04:43 PM.

08-03-2010, 07:52 PM	#8
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	Oh, I'm not going to be building paragraphs upon paragraphs of summed up details. It'll basically be something like... Topics covered: Updates granted. Debate on Insert disputed topic. Discussion related to which RP related combat or character interaction. Basically, a sort of footnote, so you know which discussion thread is which for when you're searching for a particular post or line of debate that you recall, but don't know which thread. I promise, it'll be damn useful though. ^^ __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL!

08-04-2010, 01:27 AM	#9
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	If the question is "Does Sturdy interfere with trying to use Explosion", then the answer is "No, it doesn't", since there are several families of pokemons like Geodudes, Magnemites, Pinco and such that all have a Self-Destruct move and the Sturdy Ability. If the question is, "Does Sturdy combo with Explosion in any way like preventing loss of life while still doing the attack", the answer is "HELL NO". As evident with pokemons like geodudes and magnemites that have the ability but still kill themselves with Explosions, there is emperical evidence that the two do not combine in any manner. Or at least in any way useful. And if the question is "Does Sturdy protect from Explosion from others" then the answer is "You wish. It only protects against OHKO moves, despite the sheer high power of Explosion and such." If you want the most powerful single Explosion possible, then you would want Lickilicky who can not only learn Explosion, but gains STAB from it and can wear the Silk Scarf to boost its power even further, making it the single most powerful move in the game legitly (Power of 540 in a massive AOE radius to boot). (Technically, Smergle can do that too, but its ATK stat at 20 is so piss poor, it's barely more than Shuckle as compared to Lickilicky's more respectable base ATK of 85.) __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL! Last edited by Menarker; 08-04-2010 at 01:38 AM.

08-03-2010, 02:53 PM	#1
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	I see. My main concern was actually that Mio was Myrie. I forgot the name of Ricewood's daughter. Pretty heavy nightmare fuel no matter what though. In fact, that post just plain creeped me the fuck out.

08-03-2010, 03:19 PM	#3
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	The ash cross-dressing thing didn't really bother me all that much, I just kept going along with it because it bothered Drac so much.There was a lot of invisible text in those posts. This however, makes me a bit nauseous.

08-03-2010, 04:27 PM	#6
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Yes, and killing a brainwashed 10 year old is *justice!*

08-04-2010, 12:28 PM	#10
Menarker OMG! WHAT SHOULD I DO NOW? Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,802	>_> I can only imagine someone is going to suppose that Explosions from pokemons like Lickilicky and Stuntank come from some massive fart explosion that rips off its own asshole in the process or something. >_< ANYHOW, TACTICS! I got a busy day today, so I'm not going to make a huge plan atm. Just a brief proposal. [Seviper Pokemerc] [HoA Acolyte A (Flinch)] [Kingdra Pokebrid] [Dominated Civilian] [Golduck Pokebrid] [Mio Kazetsubaki <Boss>] [Millenium Battlebot] [Noctowl Pokemerc (Sleep/Paralysis)] [Cradily Pokemerc] [Toxicroak Pokemerc] [HoA Acolyte B (Sleep)] WAIT A MINUTE!? AB: Why is Kingdra pokebrid still in the formation? Your recent RP post stated that Harliette knocked it out in the end after a series of attacks. Also, forgive me for forgetting... Did you say there was a specific way to fracture armor like the ones on the mech? Or just a lot of heavy damage? Or a specific move like the HM Rock Smash works better? Also, you had the HoA Acolyte flinched. According to this, it was supposed to be immune to that... The only time it was "flinched" last time was due to Pierce's Null Turn. HoA Acolyte: Basic Slayer units of the Harbingers of Ascension. Devotion to the cause lends them strength, but little else. Although it doesn't exactly help our group... - Slayer Attacks: Kris Slash (Steel, 50% Bleed) / Assassin Dart (Ghost, 25% Instant Death) / Powder Bomb (100% Flinch, ACC -1) / Flash Stab (Dark, 50% Flinch) / Firebomb (Fire, 50% Burn) - Slayer Defenses: Steel, Ghost, Dark, Fire -50% / Flinch, Bleed, Burn Immunity / Physical Counter 100% - Signature Technique: Sacrifical Lamb ~ Self Targeted, 50% Transform. If failed, Death is afflicted. The cultist takes out a syringe and injects himself or herself. More successful during Low Morale and Overwhelming Tide. Costs 0/100 Rage. [Seviper Pokemerc] [HoA Acolyte A (Flinch)] [Golduck Pokebrid] [Mio Kazetsubaki <Boss>] [Millenium Battlebot] [Noctowl Pokemerc (Sleep/Paralysis)] [Cradily Pokemerc] [Toxicroak Pokemerc] [HoA Acolyte B (Sleep)] There... now that I altered the formation a bit to reflect the real number of troops... Hmmm... due to there being too many foes immune to physical or to statuses (Battlebot, Golduck in Paradigm mode and Mio), and some other foes beaten in much more effective ways, I don't think Pierce's Null turn ability is useful anymore... >_> Cradily: Can be OHKOED. Wilhelmina should get rage rockets so she can take care of it ASAP. Toxicroak: Air Slash from either Togekiss or Shaymin will flinch it 100% and do heavy damage. No point wasting more resources on it when we can defeat it slowly without retribution. Note however that he must be taken out with some speed since he regains health when exposed to water (such as the water fountain water that is at the foe's feet.) Battlebot: If we can get Matt to hack it, great. Otherwise, we'll take care of it the same way we deal with mechs. Noctowl: Already weaken. Another two special typed electric attacks should finish it (I say two because of the water weakening it a bit in exchange for splash effect.) Because Cradily should be OHKOed by now, the splash should be hitting Toxicroak for neutral damage, but speeding up the process of knocking him out. Seviper: Needs to be hit with special type attacks, preferably Psychic typed or Earth Power. (Immune to physical moves and thus our OKHO and our Super Fang). Status moves have a chance to fall off him. HoA Acolyte: Should probably be dealt with before they spam their 100% flinch move or attempt to suicide themselves into a super mode. EDIT: Just realized they could be OHKOed too, if we're willing to spend the rage doing that next turn on Wilhelmina or something. Golduck Pokebrid: Packs a decent punch and large movepool, but nothing super special otherwise. Has no weaknesses and is immune to status conditions. Probably best to ignore. Mio: Focus what's left of our attacks on her. We should cure Pierce's Palkia and have it go Testament Drive on her for MASSIVE Quad Effective Dragon type damage. ^^ If you got a objection to the above, don't bother complaining to me. Just elaborate a "better" one. I got a busy day ahead of me and I might not be able to respond for quite a while. __________________ THE BIO OF RENNY TRESSERHORN THE BIOs OF POKEMON UMBRAL! Last edited by Menarker; 08-04-2010 at 11:52 PM. Reason: Removed Dominated Civilian.