You can not make this shit up...

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Bob the Mercenary

This implies some absolute moral standard by which all behavior should be judged. You are implying there is a way things ought to be. Do you have any arguments for why we should take your opinions as the objective standard over someone of a religious faith?

Please explain the crusades as a good thing so I can laugh at you.

And the entirety of that argument is supported by what? Your opinion.

As opposed to the opinion of someone who says God talks to them.

Also, I don't see what part of "From another perspective, your religion is just as wrong" is debateable.

[Bob The Mercenary]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Please explain the crusades as a good thing so I can laugh at you.

Please explain them as a bad thing without borrowing from a religion.

As opposed to the opinion of someone who says God talks to them.

Also, I don't see what part of "From another perspective, your religion is just as wrong" is debateable.

Why should I give that perspective any credibility whatsoever? You're not giving reasons or arguments or anything, just your opinions.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Originally Posted by NonCon

As opposed to the opinion of someone who says God talks to them.

Hey, thank you for disparaging my entire religion. That's a great way to foster communication and understanding.

Really, Noncon, I understand your point, but unless you want to turn this into a bigger bitchfest, insulting comments do jack shit.

[Kim]

But then the system that you described as to why people will innovate is essentially what an ideal capitalistic society is modeled as. By following the logic through, you seem to have to believe in a purely capitalistic system as a driving force for innovation, which is where I'm getting confused.

See edit.

Anywho, I believe in sociolism+capitalism mix, leaning towards the socialism, until robots have replaced the vast majority of the manual labor force and the vast majority of the human populace can be slackers without any noticeable effect on productivity. At that point, people will primarily work jobs that interest them, and when you're doing something because you want to do it, rather than just making money, you'll be inclined to innovate because why would you want to rip someone off if there's no incentive to?

I'd go into more detail, but this thread isn't about Robot Communism as mankind's highest ideal.

[rpgdemon]

That's true. I mean, when you've got everyone doing what they like, money does actually become much less of an object. I mean, look at all the indie game companies who started out with people who really wanted to make the game that they're interested in, quitting their day job to continue working on it, in the hopes of making an awesome game.

Edit: If you're interested in continuing the discussion, feel free to shoot me a PM, but yeah, probably should get less not-on-topic. :P