My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia

[Nikose Tyris]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Assuming Nikose of all people would be playing intelligently

Ahahahahahahahahaha


*pauses, deep breath*


Ahahahahahahahaha


Nevermind, whoever is bodyguard just protect the HELL out of snake, he's gotta be the PO or some shit, this is adorable.

[IHateMakingNames]

Unvote: Bard the 5th LW

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Okay guys, I'm going to try to help us all out here.

FIRST: After the events of the most recent game (in which I hosted), why the hell does anyone think it's a good idea to bandwagon Smarty, of all people, the guy who has a known history of acting suspiciously scummy early in the game even as town, therefore constituting an easy lynch for Scum to jump on without looking Scummy.

Like are we even trying here?
Because if we're not going to actually try to win, then I can just stop trying to actually play the game and goof off if you'd like.

Don't get me wrong. There is a chance that Smarty is Scum or Cult. It's Day One. I don't know jack ****. But I'm sure as hell not allowing a bandwagon to readily form on the one guy I know for a fact who's going to easily get bandwagoned even if he's Town. That is stupid.

Given that Smarty MIGHT be scum but also has a KNOWN HISTORY of acting scummy and being an easy target even if town, the logical things for us to do is:
* Scanning roles should attempt to scan him before we lynch him.
* Information gathering roles should attempt to gather information on him before we lynch him.

The thing is, we got plenty of time to make an educated, informed decision on Smarty. The problem is that his D1 behavior is not going to tell us jack **** as to whether he's Scum or not because of the way Smarty acts and interacts in this game. Yes, that style of play technically works to Smarty's advantage if he's scum. But we're stuck with him, for better or for worse.

Everyone bandwagoning Smarty looks terrible, Scum or Town, and you should all be ashamed of yourselves for playing terribly.

SECOND: "He was scum in the last game, therefore I can't trust him in this game" and "He was Scum in the last game, therefore it's more logically likely that he's Town in this game" are both terrifyingly bad arguments, even for D1. If I see even the slightest hint you're going to make that argument, I swear to Celestia I will curb-stomp something.

THIRD: Scum benefits in D1 if they can avoid making posts with actual content and can instead rely on the inherently confusing lack of knowledge in D1 to make 'joke posts' and 'joke votes' that 'randomly' result in the elimination of a Townie.
Therefore, let's not allow 'joke votes' based on flimsy logic to happen.
Cast suspicion now, but save your votes for legitimate stuff. Don't vote based on hunches or, if you're suddenly inactive for any reason your vote will stand on record and be counted and you may end up killing a Townie based on a Pinkie Pie style hunch.

And unfortunately, none of us are as eerily accurate as Pinkie Pie.

That's right your jerks I'm actually going to try to play this game right, you're stuck with me taking this **** 'too seriously' until you decide to vote me off because you happen to enjoy losing and playing the game dumb.

FOURTH: I would rather like some clarity as to whether or not the 'Friendshipping the Hell out of' stuff actually counts as a vote, it's anti-town for that to be left ambiguous because then someone could waltz in, 'Friendship the Hell' out of a Townie and then defend his decision based on the faulty premise that he assumed doing so was equivalent of an FoS and not a Vote.

FIFTH: Fenris you are seriously going to regret inserting me into this game based entirely on Nikose wanting me in this game. Look at these walls of text. This isn't how NPF plays Mafia!

SIXTH: Nikose if you are Scum, you are going to regret arbitrarily inserting me into this game.

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

The only reason that there is "no evidence to go on" is apparently that everyone on NPF has decided that it's totally cool to play an utterly uneventful and lazy D1 in which pressure is rarely if ever logically applied, claims are never asked for before lynches, and Scum can easily ensure a Town death because they're the only ones with the slightest idea of what's going on.

I've played Mafia on other Boards.
In other communities, D1 can lead to legitimate questions being asked and pertinent information being deciphered merely by asking for justification of actions.
If nothing else, EVEN IF a Townie is eliminated on D1, if you pressure folks on D1 you'll have evidence from D1 that you can reflect on during D2. Knowing the reasoning behind why Person X voted for Person Y will help you later justify whether that person was acting rationally as a Townie at the time or if he was totally scummy.

Really, there is only one reason for you to be eager to vote off anyone who's trying to take the game seriously, and that's because you're an Anti-Town role who will directly benefit from indirectly discouraging Townies from taking the game seriously lest they become a target the minute they start demanding that people act intelligently.

And I'm sticking to my guns on this one. I don't care if he's Scum or Town or what, gunning after Smarty for acting "weird" on D1 is just about the worst play you could possibly make because it's a Null-tell. You should expect Smarty to act weird and draw attention to himself D1 because that is what he does, and he would do the same whether he's Scum or Town.

Stop playing the game in such a way that rewards inactivity and discourages intelligence and maybe we can actually win for a change.

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Zoom zoom zoom zoom zoom

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Vote: Nikose

Because I <3 you.

...No, actually because predicting potential Mafia night kills without the context of power role knowledge is, believe it or not, a tried and true Scum strategy.
...Town, generally speaking, is far more worried about who to lynch than worrying about who may (or may not) die N1. Predicting the activity of what Scum will do, particularly on D1, is an absolute exercise of futility for Town.

Scum, however, benefits by making a prediction that someone will die N1 and then not killing that person N1. If townies eventually collectively buy into a repeated notion that "Snake (or anyone else), if he is Town, will die tonight because X," scum will easily yet subtly guide Town into a mislynch. If Nik is scum his entire ploy would therefore be: "I'll establish I believe that Snake is almost certainly Town now, then express abject disbelief as he continues to survive (all the while knowing he's alive because we're not targeting him), paint a bullseye on his back and let others deal the deathblows."

Also, the problem with Nik's posts is that his lack of elaboration prevents any of us from knowing whether he's actually being serious in anything he types or joking. Which, again, is a vagueness strategy that benefits Scum. Nik could totally play off any comment he makes as "Nik being Nik." I'd rather not spend the whole game questioning the sincerity of every one-sentence statement he makes.

NOTE: Even in typing this I am aware of the likelihood that I am overestimating the crap out of Nikose, and out of everyone playing this game. Assuming Nikose of all people would be playing intelligently and making such gambits as scum is kind of like assuming that a monkey could write a Shakespearean play. (Which, if you're Smarty, is apparently quite easy to believe.)
Nonetheless, I'm sticking by my guns and also suggesting to you all that I think Town Nik would be much more talkative than this; I think there's a greater probability Scum Nik would feel a sense of responsibility towards his teammates and subsequently tone down his usually chatty behavior to benefit his team.

As Town 'Nilla, Nik would totally like be "I AM CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE YOU PUNKS," and he'd create some controversy. I know you Nik! You would!

Vote: Nikose

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by IHateMakingNames

Vote: Nikose

TRAPPED
Unvote: Nikose
Vote: IHateMakingNames

...You fell for the trap AND you didn't even give any independent reasoning for voting Nikose beyond merely falling for the trap, even when you've quoted me ranting and raving about how much I hate people voting and not justifying their votes with reasons! And worst of all you're constantly abusing Pinkie Pie GIFs and everyone knows you can't do that with Snake around, Snake owns the intellectual property of those damn GIFs

EDIT: Dammit Sifright I can't vote for IHMN *and* you

[IHateMakingNames]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

TRAPPED
Unvote: Nikose
Vote: IHateMakingNames

...You fell for the trap AND you didn't even give any independent reasoning for voting Nikose beyond merely falling for the trap, even when you've quoted me ranting and raving about how much I hate people voting and not justifying their votes with reasons!

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

Alduin was culted night 0.

RPG is serial Killer.

Snake is probably going to die by mafia kill night one.

Bob the merc is Cult leader.

^Explaining myself.

I was remembering last game, where after a faulty accusation, the town were all, "WE'RE GONNA KILL YOU IF YOU'RE WRONG.". I figured no one would make an accusation that would prove to be wrong on Day 1, and assumed that serial killer was a role you didn't know you had. I made a guess by the name that it meant townies would die until you were stopped.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

^Explaining myself.

I was remembering last game, where after a faulty accusation, the town were all, "WE'RE GONNA KILL YOU IF YOU'RE WRONG.". I figured no one would make an accusation that would prove to be wrong on Day 1, and assumed that serial killer was a role you didn't know you had. I made a guess by the name that it meant townies would die until you were stopped.

It's entirely likely Nikose was joking in that instance.

A serial killer is an individual role, no loyalty to anyone else in the town or any other faction. Every night he/she kills one individual of the Serial Killer's choice.
The serial killer gains victory when he/she is the only one remaining alive.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Karesh

It's entirely likely Nikose was joking in that instance.

The Night 0 insinuation (or at least the notion that a 'Night 0' could exist or whatever) was actually kind of sort of...out of place.
And, Nik definitely was not acting like his usual self. I mean, I sort of was serious about that part of the argument.

Nik actually alleviated my concerns on that front by not changing his habits thereafter and responding with the same degree of jest (if only because Scum would've felt pressured at that moment and possibly felt the need to proffer a serious defense and/or revert back to his more 'typical' or 'expected' brand of arrogant self-aggrandizing behavior.)

But you see, the entirety of my argument wasn't based on the Night 0 thing, which you can sort of make some sort of claim regarding, I suppose (though I still think it's entirely likely Nik is shooting the breeze for grins and giggles.) It was based on the notion that Nik was setting me up for a fall based on predicting I'd die N1.

And if you look at the logic, it's kind of flawed. Not only was Nik not ultimately the only person who predicted I'd die N1 (and two scummates wouldn't out themselves by making the same prediction), far more importantly, my argument against Nik included leaps of logic.

Mind you, I wouldn't have shouted "TRAPPED!" if IHMN and Sifright, say, voted for Nik, but then actually justified their votes for Nik, and maybe threw in something self-aware like "Snake's case against Nik isn't totally convincing as I think he's over-analyzing things, but Nik also did X and Y and Z and that smells scummy."

Unfortunately, that's not what happened. Instead, they both bandwagoned Nik will providing no evidence aside from reposting my own arguments. That is a scum strategy. Doesn't mean both IHMN and Sifright are scum, probably means at least one is scum, definitely is a better hunch than anything else I have to go off D1.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

The Night 0 insinuation (or at least the notion that a 'Night 0' could exist or whatever) was actually kind of sort of...out of place.
And, Nik definitely was not acting like his usual self. I mean, I sort of was serious about that part of the argument.

Nik actually alleviated my concerns on that front by not changing his habits thereafter and responding with the same degree of jest (if only because Scum would've felt pressured at that moment and possibly felt the need to proffer a serious defense and/or revert back to his more 'typical' or 'expected' brand of arrogant self-aggrandizing behavior.)

But you see, the entirety of my argument wasn't based on the Night 0 thing, which you can sort of make some sort of claim regarding, I suppose (though I still think it's entirely likely Nik is shooting the breeze for grins and giggles.) It was based on the notion that Nik was setting me up for a fall based on predicting I'd die N1.

And if you look at the logic, it's kind of flawed. Not only was Nik not ultimately the only person who predicted I'd die N1 (and two scummates wouldn't out themselves by making the same prediction), far more importantly, my argument against Nik included leaps of logic.

Mind you, I wouldn't have shouted "TRAPPED!" if IHMN and Sifright, say, voted for Nik, but then actually justified their votes for Nik, and maybe threw in something self-aware like "Snake's case against Nik isn't totally convincing as I think he's over-analyzing things, but Nik also did X and Y and Z and that smells scummy."

Unfortunately, that's not what happened. Instead, they both bandwagoned Nik will providing no evidence aside from reposting my own arguments. That is a scum strategy. Doesn't mean both IHMN and Sifright are scum, probably means at least one is scum, definitely is a better hunch than anything else I have to go off D1.

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

Alduin was culted night 0.

RPG is serial Killer.

Snake is probably going to die by mafia kill night one.

Bob the merc is Cult leader.

Also Nikose said he claimed that Snake was SK early on. He didn't another lie.

[Ryanderman]

Originally Posted by Sifright

Also Nikose said he claimed that Snake was SK early on. He didn't another lie.

Didn't he claim he said Snake was SK on day 2? Which he did. A lot. He lied and misrepresented what snake said a lot to try to convince us Snake was the SK.