My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Originally Posted by Sifright

Also there is a way to keep the investigator safe presumably he will check me to see if i'm town thus proving Kareshs claim. IF he then doesn't say anything at all the next day presumably I am town, this way I get proven and the investigator is safe, that way if i'm lieing he can reveal me by telling every one giving an obvious lynch kill the next day.

And by revealing you're scum he then reveals himself and gets killed? Yeah, bad plan. But then if you are town then the scum only has to claim you're scum and make everyone believe the scum is the inspector. Still bad plan.

[Sifright]

Otherwise the mafia have an obvious power role to kill as soon as possible.

[Sifright]

I die and then the mafia player gets lynched the very next day when i'm shown to be town.

[Sifright]

Like i'm expendable and there are more townies than mafia if I have to die to straight off expose a mafia player thats pretty much awesome as i've done what my role was meant to do

[IHateMakingNames]

Originally Posted by Sifright

Also there is a way to keep the investigator safe presumably he will check me to see if i'm town thus proving Kareshs claim. IF he then doesn't say anything at all the next day presumably I am town, this way I get proven and the investigator is safe, that way if i'm lieing he can reveal me by telling every one giving an obvious lynch kill the next day.

Originally Posted by Sifright

Like i'm expendable and there are more townies than mafia if I have to die to straight off expose a mafia player thats pretty much awesome as i've done what my role was meant to do

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

What mafia player? How're you exposing any mafia player here? I mean I'm trying to follow your logic here but it's sounding flimsier with each post you make, unless I'm missing something obvious.

Oh, and some stuff I missed earlier;

Originally Posted by Gregness

Also, Karesh there is one minor detriment to you revealing yourself. Since Fluttershy can't be converted, there was always the possibility of the Cult wasting a conversion attempt on you, but there's little hope of that now.

Fluttershy can't be converted? Since when? Are you assuming that because it might be a power role, because I think somebody said that cult are supposed to try and convert power roles?

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

...Hey, do any of you guys write weird romantic Dr. Whooves / Fluttershy fanfiction?

I can safely say I have never written fanfiction of any kind

You know who we've all seriously overlooked so far? Ryanderman. That guy posted once and then never again. So Ryanderman, if you're still lurking, why are you lurking? Get in here and make some noise damnit!

[Gregness]

Originally Posted by Hawk

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Fluttershy can't be converted? Since when? Are you assuming that because it might be a power role, because I think somebody said that cult are supposed to try and convert power roles?

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daFLAM!

Originally Posted by Karesh

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Likewise, with knowledge of my status I can be verified as town. And I'm comfortable in declaring openly that I am pretty much the best townie you ever did see. The cult won't be able to turn me, and that means when you need a true blue friend in the dark, you can count on Flutter-goddamn-shy.

At least, if we take his word for it anyway.

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Sifright

Also there is a way to keep the investigator safe presumably he will check me to see if i'm town thus proving Kareshs claim. IF he then doesn't say anything at all the next day presumably I am town, this way I get proven and the investigator is safe, that way if i'm lieing he can reveal me by telling every one giving an obvious lynch kill the next day.

Start reading the thread from here. He has this plan, that'll keep him alive. But it's ambiguous in the outcome. But okay.

Originally Posted by Sifright

Like i'm expendable and there are more townies than mafia if I have to die to straight off expose a mafia player thats pretty much awesome as i've done what my role was meant to do

Ah, then that helps! If he dies, then we'll have a confirmation, one way or the other!

Originally Posted by Sifright

my proposed plan doesn't allow the mafia to find out who the investigator is ASSUMING i am town. Which means if i am a townie it's the best way for me to operate.

Originally Posted by Sifright

Unvote: Nikose

Vote: Hawk

Basically you are misrepresenting all my ideas to try show them as if they would be a terrible thing for town to do despite the fact that if i'm town it's at the very least a safe way to operate and if i was scum it would be a stupid thing to do because it would get me killed the very next day. do bare mind a guard roll could keep the investigator dude alive the night he 'reveals' me to be mafia if i was actually mafia.

Originally Posted by Sifright

This totally isn't true it's only tied his life to mine if he finds out i'm lieing.

Then he refuses to budge from a plan that keeps him alive the longest, and he's tying himself to the Investigator's life. In the same day, like ten posts down. Either he's bad at logic, since his plan had many holes pointed out in it, or he's trying to keep himself alive by any mean necessary. The defense:

Originally Posted by Sifright

Thats ridiculous I've set it up in a way which allows for silence to provide information and keep his role safe. As I know for a fact i'm townie what it means is that for me to be lynched the next day a mafia player HAS to lie to try and get me killed which means BAM instant mafia player lynched the day after.

"I know I'm town, so it makes sense that I do the plan that gives ambiguous results to the people who need proof, because it means that I stay alive. If I'm lying, well, sorry, you need to kill your PO to find out."

It was explained why his plan wouldn't give any conclusions, and how it would ONLY help scum, because it meant that scum could hide as a townie if anything went wrong. He still refuses to budge, says his plan's the best and keeps trying to stay alive and ambiguous as long as he can.

It's not just me, Snake pointed out many of the same flaws with his plan.

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

There's a lot of reasons to dislike Sifright's plan that IHMN has not accounted for. (

The 'doctor' or 'protective' role could be lynched D1.
The 'investigator' could be lynched D1.
The 'doctor' or 'protective' role could die N1.
The 'investigator' could die N1.
The 'doctor' or protective' role could be lynched D2.
Mafia could simply target Sifright to be killed N1, effectively guaranteeing that Town wastes an investigation, all the while encouraging us to investigate Sifright, knowing that Sifright would be killed.
Mafia could have a 'watcher' role (they do exist), either one-time or permanently. Mafia 'watches' Sifright and can view anyone who visits him. Presto! The Mafia knows who the Investigator is.
Either the Doctor or the Investigator could be kidnapped or killed in a manner that leaves no trace (Mafia has this role sometimes, too! They did in my game!) Then Scum can claim the Investigator (if he's kidnapped.) Or Scum can pretend the Doctor's still out there, knowing that he isn't and can't save anyone.
Sifright could be a 'Godfather,' in which case as Scum he'd scan innocent even if he is not innocent. Every 'investigator' has limits to his power(s). Actually, it'd be to Sifright's advantage as scum Godfather to make the investigator waste a scan 'confirming' him.
Sifright could be SK or Cult; in some games, SKs or Cult members scan innocent by Cops.

...Really there are so many ways this could backfire.
General Rule: As investigator you NEVER LET YOURSELF BE TOLD WHO TO INVESTIGATE. You trust no one, do your own research, and don't reveal your role and your findings until you have to.

HOS: IHMN for being stupid.

He now, for the first time, outright says that he thinks it's a bad idea for him to die, for the town to get some really solid proof that would be helpful.

Originally Posted by Sifright

I am not flip flopping about how expendable I am but Killing me to prove kareshs claim doesn't make much sense and helps the scum. This is a way to prove my claim that doesn't hurt the town team and secures kareshs claim as well.

This is the first point of flipflopping. He said he was expendable before, and that his death would be proof. Now when push comes to shove, he's backing away from that option, despite a town win counting as a win when you're dead, if you were town. He seems to have said it back when it would deflect suspicion that you could kill him, but now that it's actually considered, "No it's a terrible idea! It's scummy to suggest killing me to verify Karesh!"

So, then there's distraction in the form of an IHMN killing train, then he's all, "I can only post in gifs!", then we're all, "Oh, I guess then you can stay." Then Bookworm looks at PMs, and gets killed.

So, the next day, before anyone votes yet, and people are just discussing and throwing out ideas:

Originally Posted by Sifright

Ok I'm presuming i'm going to get lynched I think nikose and by extension the mafia are going to work to have my lynched today to ensure that a town voter base doesn't grow around me and Karesh.

My feverent request is that after i'm shown to be town you guys lynch the fuck out of Nikose, who wants to kill me just because

That's a good way to ensure that no one votes against you, since, "Anyone who votes me is voting to help scum, and is scum!"

Originally Posted by Sifright

Well never mind, I wanted to form a voting power base with myself and Karesh but fuck it. I've decided it's best the town gets a trusted source that they can use to vote safely with.

Unvote: nikose

Vote: Sifright

Suiciding all up in this mother.

Originally Posted by Sifright

If i'm mafia this would be retarded tactic this only benefits me if i'm town as long as town win it doesn't matter if i die. The only real reason i have not to be killed is for the selfish purpose of continuing to play but i'm willing to sacrifice my self to help the town

Originally Posted by Sifright

like seriously if you guys doubt me in the slightest fucking murder my ass to prove karesh is the fluttershy because it's clear to me we aren't going to create a voting base that is at least less likely to be tainted with out doing so if people won't trust me

Then he goes, "NO, I'LL SUICIDE! LOOK, SEE, I'M VOTING MYSELF, IT MEANS I'M TOWN. CALL MY BLUFF GUYS, DO IT! IT'LL PROVE I'M TOWN!", and because of that, people didn't vote for him. They all went, "Look, don't do that! We're not voting you, that's just dumb! You're a townie!"

Then I call him out on very sketchy behavior recently, outright lying about things that I said with intent to mislead. The post he quoted to say, "Look at how RPG wanted to kill inactives!" was actually me directly responding saying that we shouldn't kill inactives unless we had no better plan, sandwiched between two people who wanted to kill inactives who were arguing against me.

Then he goes, "FINE I HATE YOU, SUICIDING AGAIN, I GIVE UP! AND THE TOWN IS GOING DOWN NOW. BECAUSE I'M TOWN."

Then he goes, "But wait, jk. I'm totally town and gonna help town by not suiciding. Since I'm town!"



As I'm reading through the thread, Sifright goes back and forth between being "I am super knowledge base I know all!", and, "I have no idea, I never read the rules or anything, and I'm confused!", multiple times. It all adds up to being really suspicious in my book.

[Sifright]

Okay logic chain + causal relation ship.

I've claimed I am town and that Karesh is Fluttershy.
If a town investigator follows my proposed plan scans me during the night and finds I am town his silence is all the proof we need to accept I am town, where as if i am not he could tell every one I am mafia and then I get lynched that day.

This leads to several consquences when he proved to have lied about my status as townie he will then be lynched for outing himself as either a cultist or mafia. the other consquence of me being lynched will be to prove that karesh is indeed fluttershy because when I die every one will be told I was town. Logically a townie wont lie to get another townie killed thus if a mafia claims investigator role and lies to get me killed it's proof they are scum. Game theory presumes people will act in their own best interest.

hopefuly that isn't hard to follow.

Also HOS: Hawk That really shouldn't be that hard to understand. Although i've rambled over many small posts so i guess minor HOS

[Sifright]

my proposed plan doesn't allow the mafia to find out who the investigator is ASSUMING i am town. Which means if i am a townie it's the best way for me to operate.