My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia

[Geminex]

Save us, great one.
Show us how it's done.

[Solid Snake]

Okay guys, I'm going to try to help us all out here.

FIRST: After the events of the most recent game (in which I hosted), why the hell does anyone think it's a good idea to bandwagon Smarty, of all people, the guy who has a known history of acting suspiciously scummy early in the game even as town, therefore constituting an easy lynch for Scum to jump on without looking Scummy.

Like are we even trying here?
Because if we're not going to actually try to win, then I can just stop trying to actually play the game and goof off if you'd like.

Don't get me wrong. There is a chance that Smarty is Scum or Cult. It's Day One. I don't know jack ****. But I'm sure as hell not allowing a bandwagon to readily form on the one guy I know for a fact who's going to easily get bandwagoned even if he's Town. That is stupid.

Given that Smarty MIGHT be scum but also has a KNOWN HISTORY of acting scummy and being an easy target even if town, the logical things for us to do is:
* Scanning roles should attempt to scan him before we lynch him.
* Information gathering roles should attempt to gather information on him before we lynch him.

The thing is, we got plenty of time to make an educated, informed decision on Smarty. The problem is that his D1 behavior is not going to tell us jack **** as to whether he's Scum or not because of the way Smarty acts and interacts in this game. Yes, that style of play technically works to Smarty's advantage if he's scum. But we're stuck with him, for better or for worse.

Everyone bandwagoning Smarty looks terrible, Scum or Town, and you should all be ashamed of yourselves for playing terribly.

SECOND: "He was scum in the last game, therefore I can't trust him in this game" and "He was Scum in the last game, therefore it's more logically likely that he's Town in this game" are both terrifyingly bad arguments, even for D1. If I see even the slightest hint you're going to make that argument, I swear to Celestia I will curb-stomp something.

THIRD: Scum benefits in D1 if they can avoid making posts with actual content and can instead rely on the inherently confusing lack of knowledge in D1 to make 'joke posts' and 'joke votes' that 'randomly' result in the elimination of a Townie.
Therefore, let's not allow 'joke votes' based on flimsy logic to happen.
Cast suspicion now, but save your votes for legitimate stuff. Don't vote based on hunches or, if you're suddenly inactive for any reason your vote will stand on record and be counted and you may end up killing a Townie based on a Pinkie Pie style hunch.

And unfortunately, none of us are as eerily accurate as Pinkie Pie.

That's right your jerks I'm actually going to try to play this game right, you're stuck with me taking this **** 'too seriously' until you decide to vote me off because you happen to enjoy losing and playing the game dumb.

FOURTH: I would rather like some clarity as to whether or not the 'Friendshipping the Hell out of' stuff actually counts as a vote, it's anti-town for that to be left ambiguous because then someone could waltz in, 'Friendship the Hell' out of a Townie and then defend his decision based on the faulty premise that he assumed doing so was equivalent of an FoS and not a Vote.

FIFTH: Fenris you are seriously going to regret inserting me into this game based entirely on Nikose wanting me in this game. Look at these walls of text. This isn't how NPF plays Mafia!

SIXTH: Nikose if you are Scum, you are going to regret arbitrarily inserting me into this game.

[Geminex]

Unvote: Smarty.

Friendshipping the hell out of: Solid Snake

[Fenris]

FOURTH: I would rather like some clarity as to whether or not the 'Friendshipping the Hell out of' stuff actually counts as a vote, it's anti-town for that to be left ambiguous because then someone could waltz in, 'Friendship the Hell' out of a Townie and then defend his decision based on the faulty premise that he assumed doing so was equivalent of an FoS and not a Vote.

I counted it as a vote. I'd prefer "votes" to "fthoo" but whatevs.

e: I mean I can't be a huge dick about stuff in a pony game. That'd just be wrong.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Fenris

I counted it as a vote. I'd prefer "votes" to "fthoo" but whatevs.

e: I mean I can't be a huge dick about stuff in a pony game. That'd just be wrong.

Unvote: Hawk

FTHOO: Solid Snake

Cause that was nowhere near smart enough to make me think that anything else we do on Day One is stupid.
There's literally no evidence to go on so taking the first lynch seriously is pretty silly.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Karesh

There's literally no evidence to go on so taking the first lynch seriously is pretty silly.

The only reason that there is "no evidence to go on" is apparently that everyone on NPF has decided that it's totally cool to play an utterly uneventful and lazy D1 in which pressure is rarely if ever logically applied, claims are never asked for before lynches, and Scum can easily ensure a Town death because they're the only ones with the slightest idea of what's going on.

I've played Mafia on other Boards.
In other communities, D1 can lead to legitimate questions being asked and pertinent information being deciphered merely by asking for justification of actions.
If nothing else, EVEN IF a Townie is eliminated on D1, if you pressure folks on D1 you'll have evidence from D1 that you can reflect on during D2. Knowing the reasoning behind why Person X voted for Person Y will help you later justify whether that person was acting rationally as a Townie at the time or if he was totally scummy.

Really, there is only one reason for you to be eager to vote off anyone who's trying to take the game seriously, and that's because you're an Anti-Town role who will directly benefit from indirectly discouraging Townies from taking the game seriously lest they become a target the minute they start demanding that people act intelligently.

And I'm sticking to my guns on this one. I don't care if he's Scum or Town or what, gunning after Smarty for acting "weird" on D1 is just about the worst play you could possibly make because it's a Null-tell. You should expect Smarty to act weird and draw attention to himself D1 because that is what he does, and he would do the same whether he's Scum or Town.

Stop playing the game in such a way that rewards inactivity and discourages intelligence and maybe we can actually win for a change.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

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Stop playing the game in such a way that rewards inactivity and discourages intelligence and maybe we can actually win for a change.

Victory in the battle of mafia is a tertiary objective to winning the war of fun.

[Ramary]

Oh right forgot about this.

FTHOO: Solid Snake

I accuse 'em of the crime of building a wall of text in a small reply neighborhood.

Hey on the bright side we are not attacking Smarty anymore.

[Solid Snake]

In retrospect this is actually a win-win for me because I'd rather not waste my time playing Mafia with people who aren't taking the game seriously anyway.

Still, you sure as hell find a better reason to vote me out of this game than "winning the war on fun." I have too much pride in my Mafia gamesmanship to accept the idea that I'd be voted off simply for desiring to make an intelligent contribution.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Still, you sure as hell find a better reason to vote me out of this game than "winning the war on fun." I have too much pride in my Mafia gamesmanship to accept the idea that I'd be voted off simply for desiring to make an intelligent contribution.

I feel like you could have just as easily made an intellectual contribution without making the incredibly unintelligent assertion that we're all stupid for playing a game like it's a game.