My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia - Page 51

Verifiedz · 09-30-2011, 02:26 PM

lets vote him

Sifright · 09-30-2011, 02:27 PM

Well I don't get the rational for wanting town to lose a day because a dude cheated the rest of town gained nothing from it and a townie was killed off we lost out already so losing a day on top of that makes a huge difference maybe i'm a touch bitter but the only chance i have to effect the game is via lynching and we lost a day and by the looks of it there are three people who can kill during the night so night actions are vastly more powerful.

I mean it's not like bookie was even on the list of candidates we were considering lynching. maybe it's just sour grapes.

Verifiedz · 09-30-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sifright

Well I don't get the rational for wanting town to lose a day because a dude cheated the rest of town gained nothing from it and a townie was killed off we lost out already so losing a day on top of that makes a huge difference maybe i'm a touch bitter but the only chance i have to effect the game is via lynching and we lost a day and by the looks of it there are three people who can kill during the night so night actions are vastly more powerful.

I mean it's not like bookie was even on the list of candidates we were considering lynching. maybe it's just sour grapes.

woulda bou nikose

Solid Snake · 09-30-2011, 02:38 PM

Verifiedz: You are the anti-Snake.
Like, everything that is Snake, about the way Snake plays the game of Mafia.
You are his kryptonite.

I think it's far too early to be jumping into lynches, insofar as only the active folks are even drawing suspicion. I want a little more varied activity before jumping down anyone's throat.

Also, Sifright: Impartially and objectively speaking.
If anyone 'cheats' and the result of his 'cheating' has to either harm his own faction or the opposing faction, it has to harm his own faction.
The real issue with Bookie 'cheating' wasn't actually that he (accidentally) caught wind of private information, it's that upon doing so he publicly broadcasted what happened instead of going to Fenris first.

If he goes to Fenris and privately confides his knowledge, he could have been replaced. But for Fenris to replace Bookie after Bookie's public post indicating what happened would have had the effect of confirming Bookie's role as Town, which would have put Scum in an awkward position when they weren't the ones who did anything wrong.

Like I do not see what is so difficult to grasp about this. Again: What Bookie did wrong wasn't that he happened to check out "Who's Online" and saw some shit. What Bookie did 'wrong' was that he (perhaps subconsciously or indirectly) tried to leverage this knowledge into 'proving' to everyone in the game that he was Town / (at least, not Mafia) when he could have instead PMed Fenris and be like "Hey Fenris, you should probably replace me given what I now know, also everyone should go Invisible."

Sifright · 09-30-2011, 02:41 PM

I have no problem with him being Go killed.

I have every problem with us losing Day 1 which was your suggestion. I'll drop that line of reasoning how ever because it's based around meta gaming to do with rule discussion.

Also take it easy on verifiedz he's quite young

Solid Snake · 09-30-2011, 02:45 PM

Losing D1 actually benefits Town statistically in that situation, which is why it usually happens.
I mean, it still is a net loss for Town (deserved, because a Townie made the error) but treating Bookie's situation as a Typical D1 Mislynch enables Town to get away with losing only one Townie D1, which is something that actually happens, more often than not.

The alternative is a greater than 50% chance, based on pure statistics, that Town loses two of its members D1, which would have put Town in a very discouraging situation and usually does not ever happen on D1.

Sifright · 09-30-2011, 02:47 PM

Hmm, I can't disagree with that but at the same time we learned very little from end of day voting patterns. Typically D1 gives you clues as to who the mafia are based on who was lynched because the chances of a person being lynched with no mafia involvement is incredibly small.

Solid Snake · 09-30-2011, 02:51 PM

Oh, and there's also this.

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As a general rule, modkills are designed to be as disadvantageous to the player and their faction as possible. A modkill on Town will end the Day (thus preventing them from lynching), and a modkill on any kind of scum will keep the Day going (so that the Town can ideally lynch another scum).

From: This website.

Like actually I think this Modkill ending D1 was more advantageous to Town than the alternative option (Modkill + D1 lynch) would have been, but that's my opinion. Those are the actual rules.

**Revising Ocelot** · 09-30-2011, 03:05 PM

Oh, and both Sif and Snake have edited posts. I thought that wasn't allowed, same as deleting posts?

Sifright · 09-30-2011, 02:55 PM

Fair enough I recant my previous testimony. I clearly need to rules lawyer better :P

Edit: I've actually not read through the rules list very throughly i'm going to go correct that oversight now.

09-30-2011, 02:26 PM	#1
Verifiedz Go! Bwaaaa! Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Area51 Posts: 55	lets vote him __________________ " A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality."-John Lennon. Clearly this guy never saw inception.....

09-30-2011, 02:38 PM	#4
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	Verifiedz: You are the anti-Snake. Like, everything that is Snake, about the way Snake plays the game of Mafia. You are his kryptonite. I think it's far too early to be jumping into lynches, insofar as only the active folks are even drawing suspicion. I want a little more varied activity before jumping down anyone's throat. Also, Sifright: Impartially and objectively speaking. If anyone 'cheats' and the result of his 'cheating' has to either harm his own faction or the opposing faction, it has to harm his own faction. The real issue with Bookie 'cheating' wasn't actually that he (accidentally) caught wind of private information, it's that upon doing so he publicly broadcasted what happened instead of going to Fenris first. If he goes to Fenris and privately confides his knowledge, he could have been replaced. But for Fenris to replace Bookie after Bookie's public post indicating what happened would have had the effect of confirming Bookie's role as Town, which would have put Scum in an awkward position when they weren't the ones who did anything wrong. Like I do not see what is so difficult to grasp about this. Again: What Bookie did wrong wasn't that he happened to check out "Who's Online" and saw some shit. What Bookie did 'wrong' was that he (perhaps subconsciously or indirectly) tried to leverage this knowledge into 'proving' to everyone in the game that he was Town / (at least, not Mafia) when he could have instead PMed Fenris and be like "Hey Fenris, you should probably replace me given what I now know, also everyone should go Invisible." __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

09-30-2011, 02:45 PM	#6
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	Losing D1 actually benefits Town statistically in that situation, which is why it usually happens. I mean, it still is a net loss for Town (deserved, because a Townie made the error) but treating Bookie's situation as a Typical D1 Mislynch enables Town to get away with losing only one Townie D1, which is something that actually happens, more often than not. The alternative is a greater than 50% chance, based on pure statistics, that Town loses *two* of its members D1, which would have put Town in a very discouraging situation and usually does not ever happen on D1. __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text.

09-30-2011, 03:05 PM	#9
Revising Ocelot Douchebag Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Probably somewhere in England. Posts: 1,897	Oh, and both Sif and Snake have edited posts. I thought that wasn't allowed, same as deleting posts? __________________ magic sucks

09-30-2011, 02:27 PM	#2
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Well I don't get the rational for wanting town to lose a day because a dude cheated the rest of town gained nothing from it and a townie was killed off we lost out already so losing a day on top of that makes a huge difference maybe i'm a touch bitter but the only chance i have to effect the game is via lynching and we lost a day and by the looks of it there are three people who can kill during the night so night actions are vastly more powerful. I mean it's not like bookie was even on the list of candidates we were considering lynching. maybe it's just sour grapes.

09-30-2011, 02:41 PM	#5
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	I have no problem with him being Go killed. I have every problem with us losing Day 1 which was your suggestion. I'll drop that line of reasoning how ever because it's based around meta gaming to do with rule discussion. Also take it easy on verifiedz he's quite young

09-30-2011, 02:47 PM	#7
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Hmm, I can't disagree with that but at the same time we learned very little from end of day voting patterns. Typically D1 gives you clues as to who the mafia are based on who was lynched because the chances of a person being lynched with no mafia involvement is incredibly small.

09-30-2011, 02:55 PM	#10
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Fair enough I recant my previous testimony. I clearly need to rules lawyer better :P Edit: I've actually not read through the rules list very throughly i'm going to go correct that oversight now.