My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia - Page 9

Bard The 5th LW · 09-24-2011, 12:28 PM

A role call pretty much exposes the big roles. Chances are, even if you find who might be mafia one night, your PO or Vig will get offed the same night. Good reason to overall not announce your role unless your vanilla townie. But even then, the Mafia knows who isn't vanilla and can just throw darts elsewhere.

Bard The 5th LW · 09-24-2011, 02:14 PM

Unvote: IHMN

Not sure how much time is left in the day, but I doubt voting IHMN will really accomplish anything. Guess I'll read over the last mafia and the stuff in this one before making a real vote.

Gregness · 09-24-2011, 03:24 PM

Sooo, this is my first mafia game; tell me: is this much D1 drama typical?

Also, do the scum HAVE to off someone each night? Does town HAVE to off someone each day?

It just seems we'll have a lot more information to go on later.

Mr.Bookworm · 09-24-2011, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregness

Sooo, this is my first mafia game; tell me: is this much D1 drama typical?

Think we're running a bit behind on our drama quota actually. Quick, someone needlessly antagonize someone else for a perceived minor slight.

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Also, do the scum HAVE to off someone each night? Does town HAVE to off someone each day?

No and no, but the Mafia will always kill someone at night, because there is literally no reason not to. The Town can vote no lynch, but that's a terrible idea in almost all cases, for reasons enumerated in Homestuck Mafia where we got into a big argument about it.

rpgdemon · 09-25-2011, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregness

Sooo, this is my first mafia game; tell me: is this much D1 drama typical?

Also, do the scum HAVE to off someone each night? Does town HAVE to off someone each day?

It just seems we'll have a lot more information to go on later.

Yeah, I thought the same thing last game: Wait until night to get a clue or something, and then vote off that, but the flavor for the kill doesn't really give you any clues, at least in Snake's game (The only experience I have).

The main thing I learned was that bandwagonning only helps scum. Weigh why you want to vote someone, and vote them, but don't let people get away with going, "He seems to be the guy to kill, voting him.", and treat such people with suspicion.

Sifright · 09-25-2011, 07:48 AM

Ok so who is inactive so far? IF you guys are saying killing an inactive is better as they aren't contributing?

Nikose Tyris · 09-25-2011, 08:18 AM

ITT: Everyone has their own ideas of what is a good opening gambit all around, and Smarty is probably the cult leader.

Edit: Inactives need to be proven inactive, and not just lurking for the sake of screwin' with people. Power roles tend to be lurkers or heavy posters as opposed to absentees. "Vanilla Town" isn't a label that people care too much about.

rpgdemon · 09-25-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

ITT: Everyone has their own ideas of what is a good opening gambit all around, and Smarty is probably the cult leader.

How do you figure?

Professor Smarmiarty · 09-25-2011, 08:48 AM

I don't see why we should differentiate between inactives and lurkers. If you are lurking that doesn't help town much, town needs people to talk and vote duringthe day because that is the major problem. I have no problem voting lurkers at all.
Also if we start voting lurkers, the other lurkers wills tart talking, that is pretty much the end goal here.
If we're voting inactives and you want a definite inactive (if you have problems voting lurkers) I would stick by Fawfulcopter- never made a post, hasn't played past games so we can't judge his inactive behaviour against that and doesn't post anywhere else in the forums so we can't say whats up. That'spretty inactive to me.

Solid Snake · 09-25-2011, 11:56 AM

Smarty: The second time I quoted you I was reinforcing your point, not detracting from it.
You said: "The scum know who each other are, they don't want information to be spread around the town."

Then I responded with, "The logic you just articulated is exactly why I'm skeptical of people who want to vote you or I off right now with the underlying logic that we're being too active / weird / 'productive' / gambit-ing D1."

(To clarify, the exact nature of my argument is: Scum only benefits from discouraging activity, therefore if someone on the Scumteam pressures anyone who dares try to make things 'serious' and insinuates all such activity is scummy, activity will be discouraged as Town roles, particularly Town power, avoid articulating their suspicions or plotting pro-town strategies for fear that their efforts will be 'rewarded' with votes and that they'd have a better chance of surviving personally through inactivity. Scum benefits most if they can get individual Townies to adopt personal survival strategies -- if Townies are goaded into valuing their own survival over the success of the Town as a whole, Town might as well just hand the keys over.)

(...Coincidentally, not long after I advanced that argument, a very similar stylistic argument was turned against me under the pretense of "By discouraging random voting, Snake is discouraging activity," which I completely disagree with because asking people to merely approach the game intelligently only discourages activity if people refuse to play the game smart and just want to goof off.)

And then I explained my criticism of the argument made by those individuals who tried to advance the argument that I was actively and seriously participating D1, therefore I was scummy.

I do not believe interpreting my posts accurately is hard, it just requires actually reading them instead of saying "Pink wall of text, I'd like to avoid that."

Anyway I really want to hear from Bob the Merc. Where are you, Bob the Merc?

09-24-2011, 03:24 PM	#3
Gregness Never give up. Never give in. Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,034	Sooo, this is my first mafia game; tell me: is this much D1 drama typical? Also, do the scum HAVE to off someone each night? Does town HAVE to off someone each day? It just seems we'll have a lot more information to go on later. __________________ A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - Robert Heinlein

09-25-2011, 11:56 AM	#10
Solid Snake Erotic Esquire Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,563	Smarty: The second time I quoted you I was reinforcing your point, not detracting from it. You said: "The scum know who each other are, they don't want information to be spread around the town." Then I responded with, "The logic you just articulated is exactly why I'm skeptical of people who want to vote you or I off right now with the underlying logic that we're being too active / weird / 'productive' / gambit-ing D1." (To clarify, the exact nature of my argument is: Scum only benefits from discouraging activity, therefore if someone on the Scumteam pressures anyone who dares try to make things 'serious' and insinuates all such activity is scummy, activity will be discouraged as Town roles, particularly Town power, avoid articulating their suspicions or plotting pro-town strategies for fear that their efforts will be 'rewarded' with votes and that they'd have a better chance of surviving personally through inactivity. Scum benefits most if they can get individual Townies to adopt personal survival strategies -- if Townies are goaded into valuing their own survival over the success of the Town as a whole, Town might as well just hand the keys over.) (...Coincidentally, not long after I advanced that argument, a very similar stylistic argument was turned against me under the pretense of "By discouraging random voting, Snake is discouraging activity," which I completely disagree with because asking people to merely approach the game intelligently only discourages activity if people refuse to play the game smart and just want to goof off.) And then I explained my criticism of the argument made by those individuals who tried to advance the argument that I was actively and seriously participating D1, therefore I was scummy. I do not believe interpreting my posts accurately is hard, it just requires actually reading them instead of saying "Pink wall of text, I'd like to avoid that." Anyway I really want to hear from Bob the Merc. Where are you, Bob the Merc? __________________ *WARNING:* Snek's all up in this thread. Be prepared to read massive walls of text. Last edited by Solid Snake; 09-25-2011 at 12:01 PM.

09-24-2011, 12:28 PM	#1
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	A role call pretty much exposes the big roles. Chances are, even if you find who might be mafia one night, your PO or Vig will get offed the same night. Good reason to overall not announce your role unless your vanilla townie. But even then, the Mafia knows who isn't vanilla and can just throw darts elsewhere.

09-24-2011, 02:14 PM	#2
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Unvote: IHMN Not sure how much time is left in the day, but I doubt voting IHMN will really accomplish anything. Guess I'll read over the last mafia and the stuff in this one before making a real vote.

09-25-2011, 07:48 AM	#6
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Ok so who is inactive so far? IF you guys are saying killing an inactive is better as they aren't contributing?

09-25-2011, 08:48 AM	#9
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	I don't see why we should differentiate between inactives and lurkers. If you are lurking that doesn't help town much, town needs people to talk and vote duringthe day because that is the major problem. I have no problem voting lurkers at all. Also if we start voting lurkers, the other lurkers wills tart talking, that is pretty much the end goal here. If we're voting inactives and you want a definite inactive (if you have problems voting lurkers) I would stick by Fawfulcopter- never made a post, hasn't played past games so we can't judge his inactive behaviour against that and doesn't post anywhere else in the forums so we can't say whats up. That'spretty inactive to me.