How to turn a creationist

[Shyria Dracnoir]

But what a person believes regarding the soul's fate after death is a separate topic from what a person believes regarding God as an entity. A person does not need to believe in one to believe in the other. For example, Buddhism's concept of reincarnation can exist entirely without a belief in a deity figure or figure. Additionally, a theistic religion may not believe in some aspects regarding the soul's behavior after death like ghosts; in Islam, the soul is judged and sent to either Paradise or Hell at the moment of death, so there are no opportunities for it to become an earthbound ghost.

No, I don't (generally) look down on people who believe in ghosts. It was mostly my fault for not recognizing how you were using that metaphor. Thank you for explaining it.

[Aldurin]

As a Christian, I am opposed to the idea of converting someone away from creationistic ideas but it's not my place to try and stop you (I know how those debates go). I will point out however that from a non-religious standpoint, trying to further a relationship with the mindset of "She's wrong and I need to tell her she's wrong" is inconsiderate of the other person, because even if you feel that you have overwhelming evidence that you're right it doesn't mean that she will be receptive to debating in the "Why you're wrong" manner.

Discuss both your views with each other, that way it's actually possible to get anywhere with that without damaging your relation, and you may gain more insight than you had before.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Aldurin

As a Christian, I am opposed to the idea of converting someone away from creationistic ideas but it's not my place to try and stop you (I know how those debates go). I will point out however that from a non-religious standpoint, trying to further a relationship with the mindset of "She's wrong and I need to tell her she's wrong" is inconsiderate of the other person, because even if you feel that you have overwhelming evidence that you're right it doesn't mean that she will be receptive to debating in the "Why you're wrong" manner.

Discuss both your views with each other, that way it's actually possible to get anywhere with that without damaging your relation, and you may gain more insight than you had before.

Your post seems to advocate that when people believe incorrect things we should let them continue to believe those incorrect things out of consideration for them, which is a position people only seem to take when the subject of religion is broached.

[Aldurin]

Originally Posted by Liz

Your post seems to advocate that when people believe incorrect things we should let them continue to believe those incorrect things out of consideration for them, which is a position people only seem to take when the subject of religion is broached.

Originally Posted by Aldurin

Discuss both your views with each other, that way it's actually possible to get anywhere with that without damaging your relation, and you may gain more insight than you had before.

Except that you automatically ignored how at the end of my post I said to discuss the subject from both sides as the best way to debate a topic, which is not the same thing as making no attempt to convince them of your side.

[Token]

Fucking hell people. Seriously? There's no need to be assholes about this. I mean it's all well and good when we're dicks to each other, I guess, but some random person only one of us knows? Because she's hot, and he wants a beer?

The fuck.

[Token]

Seriously, whether or not it's "less wrong," it's still a dickish thing to do.

y'all should know better.

Closing.

[synkr0nized]

Whoa. Did Token just close a thread? Stealth-mod? What did I miss...

[Satan's Onion]

I think it was something else (one of us closed it, edited that in, or similar).

Anyway, shit like this makes me damn glad I accepted the Doctor as my personal savior.