The Very Big Final Fantasy XIII Thread - Page 44

MFD · 03-31-2010, 10:00 AM

So far, and this might change, but I use Lightning, Fang, and Sazh. With Sazh in the lead because I hate how the Auto-Support does Haste, Faith/Vigilance, Bravery. I usually tack Bravery (or En-Weakness) to the turn I use Haste.

Kim · 03-31-2010, 03:09 PM

Yahtzee didn't like it, which is no surprise, but I'm still annoyed that he constantly uses his incredibly limited experience with the genre as a basis for judging it as a whole.

Yahtzee: "Why can't I just go up to the enemy and press X?"
Me: "You mean like in Kingdom Hearts?"

Yahtzee: "I don't like the battle transition!"
Me: "FFXII and Kingdom Hearts lack those, and they aren't the only ones."

I dunno. Just bothers me.

bluestarultor · 03-31-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NonCon

Yahtzee didn't like it, which is no surprise, but I'm still annoyed that he constantly uses his incredibly limited experience with the genre as a basis for judging it as a whole.

Yahtzee: "Why can't I just go up to the enemy and press X?"
Me: "You mean like in Kingdom Hearts?"

Yahtzee: "I don't like the battle transition!"
Me: "FFXII and Kingdom Hearts lack those, and they aren't the only ones."

I dunno. Just bothers me.

It irks me most that he only gave it five hours. I watched it just to see what he'd have to say about it, but half the video was literal empty space and the other half was totally vacuous and devoid of real information.

The only thing you can take from the thing is that he doesn't like JRPGs and didn't have enough material to even rag on it decently, which is a disappointment.

Kim · 03-31-2010, 04:58 PM

Only giving it five hours is actually pretty fair from a game reviewing perspective, since any other genre could have justified itself in that time. Doesn't make sense from a jRPG perspective, but I can't really hold it against him.

Ravashak · 03-31-2010, 05:04 PM

In chapter 7 now, enjoying it a great deal, busy bringing the band back together, it seems. Became a Lightning fan as soon as she started smashing Snow in the face, repeatedly. So far, I like the character interaction, especially with the log to give some more of an inside look, as well as a possibility to look back on it as reference.

I found Odin to be pretty nasty

Mirai Gen · 03-31-2010, 05:56 PM

Yahtzee's review is actually pretty fair - Noobtoob for example said that they were tired of Final Fantasy 13 and people defended it saying it got better a good 15 hours in. That's not much of a justification when most games usually take about 8-10 hours to utterly complete themselves.

They also brought up an excellent point in saying that a game being criticized for being 'too short' is a useless criticism. Saying it's too short means that they knew how much content they had to spread over the course of an entire game and didn't overexert themselves. This is why Portal is sheer awesome - it may be short but any longer and it'd officially be overwhelming.

I do find it kind of funny that his criticisms are largely the same as Noncon's, minus absolutely everything about the combat anyway.

Professor Smarmiarty · 03-31-2010, 06:52 PM

All I have to say is if you have to wait 15 hours for a game to be good, that game is shit.

bluestarultor · 03-31-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

All I have to say is if you have to wait 15 hours for a game to be good, that game is shit.

It's more a "your mileage may vary" thing. In all honesty, it only takes about an hour to open up the major additions to combat, and two hours or so until your ability to summon.

If you can forgive the party, the beginning isn't totally terrible. Many people just can't forgive the party. I'll admit I'm willing to tolerate a worse party than most, but that's paradoxically from my cynicism concerning the quality of characters these days. As long as they don't have screechy voices and outright terrible lines, I'll probably just deal.

Kim · 03-31-2010, 10:50 PM

I'd say it took about five hours for the combat to get good, because I really didn't like playing as Sazh and Vanille at first because two ravagers against shit made some fights take forever and then I got pissed off at the game for giving me zero stars like a whore.

Krylo · 04-01-2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NonCon

I'd say it took about five hours for the combat to get good, because I really didn't like playing as Sazh and Vanille at first because two ravagers against shit made some fights take forever and then I got pissed off at the game for giving me zero stars like a whore.

I know this is too late to matter NOW, but Saboteurs slow down the stagger gauge's (or wtfever it's called) depletion just like commando. Also, you only really have to hit an enemy with saboteur/commando attacks once and then you can switch to full ravager to stagger the most quickly.

Still slower than a commando/ravager group, 'cause it's harder to control where the debuffs go, but not that bad.

03-31-2010, 10:00 AM	#1
MFD THWIP! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,626	So far, and this might change, but I use Lightning, Fang, and Sazh. With Sazh in the lead because I hate how the Auto-Support does Haste, Faith/Vigilance, Bravery. I usually tack Bravery (or En-Weakness) to the turn I use Haste. __________________ And The Lord did curse Caine for his sin, for by The Lord blood may only be repaid in sparkly glitter. - DFM 11:30

03-31-2010, 05:56 PM	#6
Mirai Gen We are Geth. Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 14,032	Bonus round: James Sunderland is his calendar. Yahtzee's review is actually pretty fair - Noobtoob for example said that they were tired of Final Fantasy 13 and people defended it saying it got better a good 15 hours in. That's not much of a justification when most games usually take about 8-10 hours to utterly complete themselves. They also brought up an excellent point in saying that a game being criticized for being 'too short' is a useless criticism. Saying it's too short means that they knew how much content they had to spread over the course of an entire game and didn't overexert themselves. This is why Portal is sheer awesome - it may be short but any longer and it'd officially be overwhelming. I do find it kind of funny that his criticisms are largely the same as Noncon's, minus absolutely everything about the combat anyway. __________________

03-31-2010, 03:09 PM	#2
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Yahtzee didn't like it, which is no surprise, but I'm still annoyed that he constantly uses his incredibly limited experience with the genre as a basis for judging it as a whole. Yahtzee: "Why can't I just go up to the enemy and press X?" Me: "You mean like in Kingdom Hearts?" Yahtzee: "I don't like the battle transition!" Me: "FFXII and Kingdom Hearts lack those, and they aren't the only ones." I dunno. Just bothers me.

03-31-2010, 04:58 PM	#4
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	Only giving it five hours is actually pretty fair from a game reviewing perspective, since any other genre could have justified itself in that time. Doesn't make sense from a jRPG perspective, but I can't really hold it against him.

03-31-2010, 05:04 PM	#5
Ravashak hm? Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: South of the Sewer Posts: 286	In chapter 7 now, enjoying it a great deal, busy bringing the band back together, it seems. Became a Lightning fan as soon as she started smashing Snow in the face, repeatedly. So far, I like the character interaction, especially with the log to give some more of an inside look, as well as a possibility to look back on it as reference. I found Odin to be pretty nasty

03-31-2010, 06:52 PM	#7
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	All I have to say is if you have to wait 15 hours for a game to be good, that game is shit.

03-31-2010, 10:50 PM	#9
Kim adorable Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 12,950	I'd say it took about five hours for the combat to get good, because I really didn't like playing as Sazh and Vanille at first because two ravagers against shit made some fights take forever and then I got pissed off at the game for giving me zero stars like a whore.