Forgotten Realms Mafia! - Page 10

IHateMakingNames · 11-25-2011, 06:02 PM

Scummy Action 1: You made a claim that cannot be counter-claimed. Our only perceived way to believe you is to listen to what you say. What we can actually do is lynch you to verify.

Scummy Action 2: You are telling who the PO and the BG should target. This is probably a power heavy game, so we've probably got watcher and the like. You are setting up townie power roles to get fucked.

Scummy Action 3: Crazy plan and obscure power claim. With the game just started, you out yourself as scum and want everyone to follow what you say because you claim you'll turn to townie afterwords.

Dick Action 1: You are going against your alignment. It's Day 1 and you are already planning to kill the mafia as a mafia-aligned player. You say it's just against Moogle but it's damming the whole mafia.

It boils down to being a mafia plan, you're a jester, you're a lyncher, something crazy Nikose made up. What you are not is a vanilla townie or a pro-town power role. The first kills a mafia, the next two an unimportant townie, and the fourth we'll just ignore because it's not predictable. Either way killing you isn't bad for a Day 1 lynch.

Kerensky287 · 11-25-2011, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by IHateMakingNames

Scummy Action 1: You made a claim that cannot be counter-claimed. Our only perceived way to believe you is to listen to what you say. What we can actually do is lynch you to verify.

Scummy Action 2: You are telling who the PO and the BG should target. This is probably a power heavy game, so we've probably got watcher and the like. You are setting up townie power roles to get fucked.

Scummy Action 3: Crazy plan and obscure power claim. With the game just started, you out yourself as scum and want everyone to follow what you say because you claim you'll turn to townie afterwords.

Dick Action 1: You are going against your alignment. It's Day 1 and you are already planning to kill the mafia as a mafia-aligned player. You say it's just against Moogle but it's damming the whole mafia.

It boils down to being a mafia plan, you're a jester, you're a lyncher, something crazy Nikose made up. What you are not is a vanilla townie or a pro-town power role. The first kills a mafia, the next two an unimportant townie, and the fourth we'll just ignore because it's not predictable. Either way killing you isn't bad for a Day 1 lynch.

...Good points, actually. Yeah, I can see where you're coming from.

People keep forgetting that I may just be honest about this, but at this point I literally cannot give a damn. I've said my piece, and I stand by it. I've laid out the plan that would be optimal for me - that is, either the Day 1 Moogle lynch, or the Night 1 Moogle Investigate. I've laid out the reasons that this plan would also be perfect for you guys. I have a snowball's chance in hell of seeing Day 2. I have zero reason to lie anymore at this point, but whatever.

I mean, obviously if I'm lying about everything, then I don't have "zero reason to lie anymore", and I guess my mistake was not thinking that people might actually disbelieve me when I spilled everything from the get-go? Meh, inexperience. Though if I'm a jester, as you seem so intent on believing, I'm not sure why you're still voting for me.

Point is, I'm telling the truth. There's not much more for me to say other than what's already been said, and I have no way of proving my position without the PO investigation.

That said, I'm still gonna watch the game as it develops. I want to see what crazy voodoo gets pulled out of the depths of Forgotten Realms Villainry.

(Regarding the "dick move" point, I think that was probably how Nikose conceived of my role. I'm basically Starscream from Transformers. If I wanted to, I could have gone the opportunistic route, but instead I mentally aligned myself with town and went all-in. 'S up to you.)

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 11-25-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by IHateMakingNames

Dick Action 1: You are going against your alignment. It's Day 1 and you are already planning to kill the mafia as a mafia-aligned player. You say it's just against Moogle but it's damming the whole mafia.

ARGH I wrote up an analysis of this point from the perspective of Nikose as a GM but it ate the whole thing.
I'll sum it up but i can't be assed to write the entire thing out again:

Nikose likes to cheat and subvert the rules, while he would probably install ways for players to do so within his own game I don't think this is in line with his usual methods or thought process.

The claims Kerensky makes would mean that the mafia is incredibly powerful, so much so that if they do not implode they will easily win this game without a single problem. But are almost assured to implode because Kerensky has been given a role that is too deliciously set up to betray them. This doesn't make sense. It's... sorta mean, really.
That's what I think it comes down to for me. Either way, this game wouldn't really be fair. On the one hand the entire mafia can be revealed and systematically destroyed. On the other the town will be wrecked.

BahamutFlare · 11-25-2011, 07:10 PM

So if you truly are going to be town vig, who are the other mafia members? You'd be killing them one a night anyway starting with the bodyguard. And being town, you'd be helping us out greatly.

If you're telling the truth and we vote you, we get rid of a mafia and lose 1 more town then before.

If we vote Moogle, then he may be some random innocent. We don't know for sure, but you did roleclaim mafia.

Therefore, the best course of action is IMO to keep my vote on Kerensky. If he is telling the truth, then we lynch moogle D2. should be an easy lynch. If we are lucky, some roleblocker could save a townie too during the night.

Kerensky287 · 11-25-2011, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BahamutFlare

So if you truly are going to be town vig, who are the other mafia members? You'd be killing them one a night anyway starting with the bodyguard. And being town, you'd be helping us out greatly.

If you're telling the truth and we vote you, we get rid of a mafia and lose 1 more town then before.

If we vote Moogle, then he may be some random innocent. We don't know for sure, but you did roleclaim mafia.

Therefore, the best course of action is IMO to keep my vote on Kerensky. If he is telling the truth, then we lynch moogle D2. should be an easy lynch. If we are lucky, some roleblocker could save a townie too during the night.

I can't namedrop the other mafiates. It would be against my alignment, and it would ruin the game. It looks like it's shaping up to be a FUN one (in the Dwarf Fortress sense), and I want to see how it all spirals out of control once the 3x nightkills start taking their toll.

I don't think it'd be too big of a hint to say that lynching inactives is a bad idea though. *wide wink*

It's actually kind of fun to list all the possibilities and their outcomes, so I think I'll do a bit more of that in another post. I wish people would do these crazy convoluted day 1 reveals more often.

Gregness · 11-25-2011, 06:19 PM

Okay, so if Kerensky IS a jester and he wins by getting lynched, does that mean town loses? or does that mean he just gets added to the winner list at the end? 'cause if the only thing at stake from lynching him is whether we have to let him into the winner's circle at the end I totally don't mind taking the only solid thing we've got so far.

FoS: Kerensky

Kerensky287 · 11-25-2011, 06:27 PM

It just occurred to me that if I'm gonna get lynched anyway then there's no reason not to just out the rest of the mafia players (since a GMkill is no longer a serious threat) but I'll hold back on that to avoid ruining the game.

It'll be funny seeing the townies drop three-to-a-night, too.

Gregness · 11-25-2011, 07:03 PM

Vote: Kerensky287

Yeah, the more I think of it the more this whole situation doesn't add up.

"Look Guiez, I'm totally offering up the entire mafia on a plate, also I turn into a vig and start handing out free candy and rainbows."

I mean, if something sounds too good to be true, that's usually because it is.

Dracorion · 11-25-2011, 07:15 PM

Vote: Kerensky.

Yeah, all the talk he's done really hasn't warmed me up to him. When he was listing all the possibilities, I noticed he failed to list the ones where he wasn't the jester and was still lying.

If he's scum, I don't think he's trying to convince us one way or another. I think he just wants us to tie ourselves up in knots and do nothing.

So, I choose to lynch the guy who claims to be both a turncoat and an honest guy.

Kerensky287 · 11-25-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dracorion

Vote: Kerensky.

Yeah, all the talk he's done really hasn't warmed me up to him. When he was listing all the possibilities, I noticed he failed to list the ones where he wasn't the jester and was still lying.

If he's scum, I don't think he's trying to convince us one way or another. I think he just wants us to tie ourselves up in knots and do nothing.

So, I choose to lynch the guy who claims to be both a turncoat and an honest guy.

For the record, I never claimed to be a turncoat. Nikose did, in his PM to me. I like to think of myself as more of a TF2-style spy. I think sapped enough sentries to alleviate the pain of getting critted by the enemy Engie's wrench.

Anyway, more possibilities, as requested:

1) I'm a mafiate, so is Moogle (don or otherwise). Not possible, because I'd have been GMkilled.

2) I'm a mafiate, Moogle isn't. He's just a random guy I picked from the list. This would be a bad idea on my part. Even assuming people listen to me on Day 1, I probably get nightkilled Night 1 by the vig (who now knows me to be mafia or self-aligned), and if not, then I have no way to defend myself from a Day 2 lynch. I've attracted too much attention to myself for this to be a Mafia plot, and my fellow mafiates are not being convincing enough townies for the plan to work if I was some kind of sacrificial lamb. *wider, knowing wink*

3) I'm self-aligned. Doesn't matter if I targetted Moogle with any intelligent thought or not (keeping in mind that he has not posted once this game!), the fact is that a self-aligned player cannot get that far by attracting attention to themselves. In my original plan I expected to get investigated Night 2 AT THE LATEST (as in, if they check moogle night 1, they're still gonna check me night 2) and if I had been lying about my role, that would have been the end.

4) I'm town from the start. Roleclaiming mafia is a stupid, stupid idea and I should proceed to my nearest hospital for an emergency vasectomy to avoid contaminating the gene pool further with my horrifically low intelligence.

5) One of the above, but I'm trying to use reverse psychology. I probably would have changed my story, come up with a backup plan, or tried to call out somebody else's posts (a specific person!) as suspicious by this point.

The truth is that since I'm mafia, I CANNOT make a move against any other mafiate - including mentioning names, FoSing, or anything else direct-targetish - without getting GMkilled.

Luckily, it's totally within my alignment to lie about mafia members, so I'm gonna reward a few particularly clever people with Not-Mafia guarantees. Unfortunately, as confirmed townies/self-aligned, that will make you a higher priority target for mafia nightkills, of which there are several... so sorry about that drawback. But hey, maybe that'll make you more likely to take a risk and kill off someone I've confirmed to have nightkill ability? Like, say, Moogle?

FoS: IHateMakingNames because those were very good points.
FoS: Karesh because I sympathize with the way the board ate your post. Also, you are 100% accurate that this is going to be a silly bloodbath.
FoS: BahamutFlare because you were so accurate as a Vig last game. Maybe if you have killpowers you'll do just as well here?

11-25-2011, 06:02 PM	#1
IHateMakingNames Awwwwh Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 12,119	Scummy Action 1: You made a claim that cannot be counter-claimed. Our only perceived way to believe you is to listen to what you say. What we can actually do is lynch you to verify. Scummy Action 2: You are telling who the PO and the BG should target. This is probably a power heavy game, so we've probably got watcher and the like. You are setting up townie power roles to get fucked. Scummy Action 3: Crazy plan and obscure power claim. With the game just started, you out yourself as scum and want everyone to follow what you say because you claim you'll turn to townie afterwords. Dick Action 1: You are going against your alignment. It's Day 1 and you are already planning to kill the mafia as a mafia-aligned player. You say it's just against Moogle but it's damming the whole mafia. It boils down to being a mafia plan, you're a jester, you're a lyncher, something crazy Nikose made up. What you are not is a vanilla townie or a pro-town power role. The first kills a mafia, the next two an unimportant townie, and the fourth we'll just ignore because it's not predictable. Either way killing you isn't bad for a Day 1 lynch. __________________ "If I'm reincarnated, I want to be Musashi again!" - Musashi, Brave Fencer Musashi

11-25-2011, 06:19 PM	#6
Gregness Never give up. Never give in. Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,034	Okay, so if Kerensky IS a jester and he wins by getting lynched, does that mean town loses? or does that mean he just gets added to the winner list at the end? 'cause if the only thing at stake from lynching him is whether we have to let him into the winner's circle at the end I totally don't mind taking the only solid thing we've got so far. FoS: Kerensky __________________ A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - Robert Heinlein

11-25-2011, 06:27 PM	#7
Kerensky287 Just That Good Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,426	It just occurred to me that if I'm gonna get lynched anyway then there's no reason not to just out the rest of the mafia players (since a GMkill is no longer a serious threat) but I'll hold back on that to avoid ruining the game. It'll be funny seeing the townies drop three-to-a-night, too. __________________ People who live in Glass homes should not throw stones or Jerk off at daytime

11-25-2011, 07:03 PM	#8
Gregness Never give up. Never give in. Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,034	Vote: Kerensky287 Yeah, the more I think of it the more this whole situation doesn't add up. "Look Guiez, I'm totally offering up the entire mafia on a plate, also I turn into a vig and start handing out free candy and rainbows." I mean, if something sounds too good to be true, that's usually because it is. __________________ A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - Robert Heinlein

11-25-2011, 07:15 PM	#9
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Vote: Kerensky. Yeah, all the talk he's done really hasn't warmed me up to him. When he was listing all the possibilities, I noticed he failed to list the ones where he wasn't the jester and was still lying. If he's scum, I don't think he's trying to convince us one way or another. I think he just wants us to tie ourselves up in knots and do nothing. So, I choose to lynch the guy who claims to be both a turncoat and an honest guy. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

11-25-2011, 07:10 PM	#4
BahamutFlare Troopa Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: PA Posts: 34	So if you truly are going to be town vig, who are the other mafia members? You'd be killing them one a night anyway starting with the bodyguard. And being town, you'd be helping us out greatly. If you're telling the truth and we vote you, we get rid of a mafia and lose 1 more town then before. If we vote Moogle, then he may be some random innocent. We don't know for sure, but you did roleclaim mafia. Therefore, the best course of action is IMO to keep my vote on Kerensky. If he is telling the truth, then we lynch moogle D2. should be an easy lynch. If we are lucky, some roleblocker could save a townie too during the night.