PSN Hacked, Private Info Stolen - Page 11

Bells · 04-28-2011, 07:09 PM

Sony had 2 Updates on April 20 and April 21, respectively. Those were their first 2 contacts.

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We�re aware certain functions of PlayStation Network are down. We will report back here as soon as we can with more information.
Thank you for your patience.

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While we are investigating the cause of the Network outage, we wanted to alert you that it may be a full day or two before we�re able to get the service completely back up and running. Thank you very much for your patience while we work to resolve this matter. Please stay tuned to this space for more details, and we�ll update you again as soon as we can.

Then, on April 22 they confirmed "External Intrusion"

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An external intrusion on our system has affected our PlayStation Network and Qriocity services. In order to conduct a thorough investigation and to verify the smooth and secure operation of our network services going forward, we turned off PlayStation Network & Qriocity services on the evening of Wednesday, April 20th. Providing quality entertainment services to our customers and partners is our utmost priority. We are doing all we can to resolve this situation quickly, and we once again thank you for your patience. We will continue to update you promptly as we have additional information to share.

Kerensky287 · 04-28-2011, 07:35 PM

When they claim that "an external intrusion on our system has affected" something, then that generally implies a malicious takedown as opposed to information theft. Copying data doesn't negatively impact PSN or Qriocity at all.

In fact, I'd say that the spin they put on it would have guided people AWAY from the idea that their info may be compromised.

Bells · 04-29-2011, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jagos

Credit cards for sale

Except that all major card holders so far say your credit information is safe and no dubious activity was detected

Jagos · 04-29-2011, 07:47 AM

Credit cards for sale

Sky Warrior Bob · 05-01-2011, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jagos

Credit cards for sale

Not definitive either way, since they could be lying. I mean, there's always a sucker who'll help those poor rich millionaires in Kenya. And I'm at least certain, that a few liars out there might be taking advantage of this, even if credit cards were taken.

I did run into something that suggested that CC numbers were encrypted, except during purchase. Not sure if that's true, or just something somebody made up. To explain, your credit info is locked until you use it. If you used your card while the hack was active, you're potentially in more trouble.

If this is even true, & not just some paranoid thing I read somewhere. And no, I've no clue where I saw it. Sorry.

SWB

Bells · 05-01-2011, 10:46 AM

Also, out of 77 million accounts worldwide you are bound to find a few that WERE hit by scams for another reasom entirely that has no connection to the PSN

rpgdemon · 05-01-2011, 10:50 AM

Bells, at this point, are you defending Sony because you legitimately believe that they've done nothing wrong at all in this situation, or because you started out defending them?

I mean, the evidence says, Sony messed up with how they handled the situation. To say "Well, despite people getting their stuff stolen after Sony was hacked, it's just a coincidence." is pretty much saying, "Screw the evidence, I have green hair."

Doc ock rokc · 05-01-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Bells, at this point, are you defending Sony because you legitimately believe that they've done nothing wrong at all in this situation, or because you started out defending them?

I mean, the evidence says, Sony messed up with how they handled the situation. To say "Well, despite people getting their stuff stolen after Sony was hacked, it's just a coincidence." is pretty much saying, "Screw the evidence, I have green hair."

Wow! So many logical fallacies. I don't know where to start. first off your initial question doesn't make since (Plus you don't nessisarly have to agree to point out what should be common logic). Second off you need to learn that credit card fraud is, sadly, extremely common. With a large group such as oh 77 million people spanning the globe there could be a portion that was "robbed" before the incident.

Now i'm not for sony i think they royally fucked up but still I have a semi doubt on some of these claims.

rpgdemon · 05-01-2011, 12:24 PM

The question comes from reading the entire thread, and seeing that all through it, Bells has steadfastedly stated that Sony wasn't at fault, because they did what was right for the company, despite it's potential to hurt consumers.

In light of that information, it's not really a huge leap in logic to ask if he's just continuing the point that Sony isn't at fault to try to win the argument that they didn't mess up and hurt their consumers, so that he is/wasn't wrong about defending them before.

Bells · 05-01-2011, 01:59 PM

Not trying to "win"... to me, it's logic at face value. I don't see Evil in Sony's doing, and i'm looking at this situation as is. You can trully make a case that they could do better, but i'm not seeing "THEY fucked US up"... i see a 48 hours delay between what happened and they notifiying people with correct information to the best of the ability, and then they continually notify people daily to semi-daily up to now. I see no foul play. really.

If all the argument against is that "they should have been faster" ... well... i don't know, does anybody here have the actual Knowledge to make the claim that they could and choose not to, aside from boasting "it's just common knowledge!" ?

And, yeah... Credit Card Fraud ( and plain stupidity of people using their credit cards online ) is common enough worldwide that it does factor in a slice of those 70+ million accounts affected. Not counting those who are just tossing fuel to the fire with bogus Claim that most don't verify (or can't) before replicating it as "hardcore facts" everywhere...

I see a distinct line between holding Sony accountable for your security and simply shitting on the "big mean company", if my Bank was robbed i wouldn't blame the Bank, but i would want to know that it's 100% safe to trust on it again or i would simply take my business elsewhere.

And fuck yeah, people with PSN accounts have a reason to be pissed, and it's way easier to beat the Big Mean Company than the Invisible Hacker or Hackers that did this. In this forum we have a lot of people with PS3's or PSP's and PSN accounts, and quite a few might have concerns over their data safety, so i think it's only fair to always take a cautious view and a open view of the whole deal, or else we're just feeding flames of panic, which is very different of honest concern.

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Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	Also, out of 77 million accounts worldwide you are bound to find a few that WERE hit by scams for another reasom entirely that has no connection to the PSN __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

05-01-2011, 10:50 AM	#107
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	Bells, at this point, are you defending Sony because you legitimately believe that they've done nothing wrong at all in this situation, or because you started out defending them? I mean, the evidence says, Sony messed up with how they handled the situation. To say "Well, despite people getting their stuff stolen after Sony was hacked, it's just a coincidence." is pretty much saying, "Screw the evidence, I have green hair." __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

05-01-2011, 12:24 PM	#109
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	The question comes from reading the entire thread, and seeing that all through it, Bells has steadfastedly stated that Sony wasn't at fault, because they did what was right for the company, despite it's potential to hurt consumers. In light of that information, it's not really a huge leap in logic to ask if he's just continuing the point that Sony isn't at fault to try to win the argument that they didn't mess up and hurt their consumers, so that he is/wasn't wrong about defending them before. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

05-01-2011, 01:59 PM	#110
Bells That's so PC of you Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In a Server-sided Dimension where time is meaningless Posts: 10,490	Not trying to "win"... to me, it's logic at face value. I don't see Evil in Sony's doing, and i'm looking at this situation as is. You can trully make a case that they could do better, but i'm not seeing "THEY fucked US up"... i see a 48 hours delay between what happened and they notifiying people with correct information to the best of the ability, and then they continually notify people daily to semi-daily up to now. I see no foul play. really. If all the argument against is that "they should have been faster" ... well... i don't know, does anybody here have the actual Knowledge to make the claim that they could and choose not to, aside from boasting "it's just common knowledge!" ? And, yeah... Credit Card Fraud ( and plain stupidity of people using their credit cards online ) is common enough worldwide that it does factor in a slice of those 70+ million accounts affected. Not counting those who are just tossing fuel to the fire with bogus Claim that most don't verify (or can't) before replicating it as "hardcore facts" everywhere... I see a distinct line between holding Sony accountable for your security and simply shitting on the "big mean company", if my Bank was robbed i wouldn't blame the Bank, but i would want to know that it's 100% safe to trust on it again or i would simply take my business elsewhere. And fuck yeah, people with PSN accounts have a reason to be pissed, and it's way easier to beat the Big Mean Company than the Invisible Hacker or Hackers that did this. In this forum we have a lot of people with PS3's or PSP's and PSN accounts, and quite a few might have concerns over their data safety, so i think it's only fair to always take a cautious view and a open view of the whole deal, or else we're just feeding flames of panic, which is very different of honest concern. __________________ *BELLS STORE : Clothes! You wear* them! Free US Shipping Subscription System? WTF?! Zazzle Black!**

04-28-2011, 07:35 PM	#102
Kerensky287 Just That Good Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,426	When they claim that "an external intrusion on our system has affected" something, then that generally implies a malicious takedown as opposed to information theft. Copying data doesn't negatively impact PSN or Qriocity at all. In fact, I'd say that the spin they put on it would have guided people AWAY from the idea that their info may be compromised.