You can not make this shit up...

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Bob the Mercenary

This implies some absolute moral standard by which all behavior should be judged. You are implying there is a way things ought to be. Do you have any arguments for why we should take your opinions as the objective standard over someone of a religious faith?

Please explain the crusades as a good thing so I can laugh at you.

And the entirety of that argument is supported by what? Your opinion.

As opposed to the opinion of someone who says God talks to them.

Also, I don't see what part of "From another perspective, your religion is just as wrong" is debateable.

[Bob The Mercenary]

Originally Posted by NonCon

Please explain the crusades as a good thing so I can laugh at you.

Please explain them as a bad thing without borrowing from a religion.

As opposed to the opinion of someone who says God talks to them.

Also, I don't see what part of "From another perspective, your religion is just as wrong" is debateable.

Why should I give that perspective any credibility whatsoever? You're not giving reasons or arguments or anything, just your opinions.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Bob the Mercenary

Please explain them as a bad thing without borrowing from a religion.

Wars born of greed and lust for power are bad. And before you argue that I just think that because it's a religious idea, my own personal belief is that religion got its ideals from basic human morality.

So pthbbbbt on that.

Why should I give that perspective any credibility whatsoever? You're not giving reasons or arguments or anything, just your opinions.

Why should anyone else give your perspective any credibility? Why is your opinion that kopimism isn't a religion because it's based in selfishness more valid than the opinion that it is a religion because all religions have awful aspects to them?

[Eltargrim]

Originally Posted by Bob the Mercenary

Please explain them as a bad thing without borrowing from a religion.

Tens of thousands of people died.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Originally Posted by NonCon

As opposed to the opinion of someone who says God talks to them.

Hey, thank you for disparaging my entire religion. That's a great way to foster communication and understanding.

Really, Noncon, I understand your point, but unless you want to turn this into a bigger bitchfest, insulting comments do jack shit.

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm

Hey, thank you for disparaging my entire religion. That's a great way to foster communication and understanding.

Thank Bob for disparaging Kopimism's validity as a religion and my opinion.

[POS Industries]

I pretty much can't see this particular conversational direction going anywhere enjoyable or productive, nor is there a topic for it to get back on to that isn't just going to to eventually go straight on back to this again, so I'm gonna go ahead and close it.

If you gentlemen would like to continue hammering out your particular philosophical disagreements over PM, you can totally do that.