d20 (D&D, Pathfinder, etc.): General Discussion, Help, and Fun

[Nikose Tyris]

Pathfinder Issue:
Paladins receive Smite Evil 1/day at level 1.

Holy Gun, an Alt-Paladin, [Ultimate Combat] Gives me "Smiting Shot" at 2nd level, which replaces smite evil.

I do not receive any forms of smite evil at 2nd level.

is this a typo, and if so, which way do I build with it?

[Nikose Tyris]

From a fellow GM:
It means you don't get anything at 1st level, and get Smiting shot at 2nd.
essentially, it delays one of your class features.

So that's answered! Whee~

[tacticslion]

Miester: sounds nifty! I couldn't promise anything definitive, but I'd be interested!

Nik: It's not a PM, and we don't have any of the PDFs, but we do have Kingmaker. I don't recall for sure right now, but I think the normal books run about $25 USD, but the shipping is pretty high. The PDFs, if I remember, are like half the price or less. There's a completely free PDF Kingmaker Player's Guide if you go to their site you should be able to pretty easily use the search engine to find what you need. If I have time later, I'll post more links unless you get to them first. In fact, most of their Adventure Paths' Player's Guide pdfs are free, especially the recent ones - I have many, even when I don't have that AP. And when I say "free" I really mean it - you don't need any credit card info, or to sign up to receive or purchase anything. You do need to make an account on Paizo.com, their website, but again, that's completely free, requires no personally identifiable information (except, I think, the standard operating procedure of an email address to confirm), and that lets you purchase stuff online. I've only made two purchases from them, but I've been completely satisfied every time. They make excellent quality products and do well. The only downside is the shipping, and if you go PDF (which we don't for space/speed reasons on our now really-old computer) you not only get everything for less expense, but also without shipping. Usually, if I recall, various PDFs run from $5 USD to $10 USD (approximately).

Ryong: are you talking 4E or 3.X? 'Cause "Warden" makes me think 4E, but everything else makes me think 3.X...

[Ryong]

Talking 4e.

Play-by-post? Ehhh.

[tacticslion]

Nik! Actually, most of the "AP" (Adventure Path) PDFs were a little more expensive than I thought.

Here's all of the Kingmaker Adventures. Clicking on each one brings you to a really nifty description and gives you the prices buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut:

0) Pathfinder Adventure Path: Kingmaker Player's Guide (PFRPG) PDF
-- FREE (PDF only, no print available)

1) Pathfinder Adventure Path #31: Stolen Land (Kingmaker 1 of 6) (PFRPG)
-- $ 19.99 (Print), $13.99 (PDF)

2) Pathfinder Adventure Path #32: Rivers Run Red (Kingmaker 2 of 6) (PFRPG)
-- $ 19.99 (Print), $13.99 (PDF)

3) Pathfinder Adventure Path #33: The Varnhold Vanishing (Kingmaker 3 of 6) (PFRPG)
-- $19.99 (Print), $13.99 (PDF)

4) Pathfinder Adventure Path #34: Blood for Blood (Kingmaker 4 of 6) (PFRPG)
-- $ 19.99 (Print), $13.99 (PDF)

5) Pathfinder Adventure Path #35: War of the River Kings (Kingmaker 5 of 6) (PFRPG)
-- $ 19.99 (Print), $13.99 (PDF)

6) Pathfinder Adventure Path #36: Sound of a Thousand Screams (Kingmaker 6 of 6) (PFRPG)
-- $ 19.99 (Print), $13.99 (PDF)

ALSO:
Optional A) Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea World Guide (PFRPG)
-- $ 49.99 (Print), $9.99 (PDF) (bold for emphasis!)
{This comes highly recommended, whether you're running Kingmaker in Golarion or not. Golarion, as a setting, is fantastic. It's a bit "choppy" in some aspects - it's not called a "Kitchen Sink" style setting for nothing - but it's fantastic nonetheless. I love this book.}

Optional B) Book of the River Nations: Complete Player's Reference for Kingdom Building (PFRPG)
-- $ 13.99 (Print), $5.99 (PDF) (again, bold for emphasis!)
{note: this is a 3rd Party Product, and I don't have it, but its received mostly-rave reviews whenever I talk to someone who does}

Optional C) Pathfinder Chronicles: Guide to the River Kingdoms (PFRPG)
-- $ 19.99 (Print), $13.99 (PDF)
{While this is very nice to have and all, I'm not sure it's actually worth kind of high the price. Effectively, it's cool, so I'm putting it here, but it's probably not your best bet unless you have to be complete in Golarion and you have extra dough, which I don't think you do right now. Also, this is 3.5 product instead of PF, which isn't bad, but it's just not fully up to date}

Optional D) Pathfinder Chronicles: Faction Guide (PFRPG)
-- $ 19.99 (Print), $13.99 (PDF)
{Now this is completely optional, but it does come rather recommended, as it's all about organizations and how they work in game terms (gaining prestige and whatnot) and has a rather large number of organizations to choose from. It's not tied to Kingmaker, exactly, but it can be, especially if the GM ties the character to organizations to bring them into the story. It, too, is a 3.5 product, and thus not optimal, and also makes references to outside sources, but I'd just go here (the PFSRD) or here (the "definitive" PF Wiki) for most of those. You could also go to Golaripedia (a Wikia wiki), but I wouldn't recommend it if the other wiki has stuff.}

EDIT: also, go here as a great tertiary free source that Paizo (the publishing company) is totally okay with.

I pretty much recommend most everything (except the Guide to the River Kingdoms) very heartily, as Paizo doesn't make many bad products.

Also, as a player, I so-far recommend Kingmaker strongly. It's been a fantastic ride so far, and it's the single most popular AP they've made so far. I recommend PF in general 'cause it's so awesome. I mean, it's the system recommended by Clevinger himself!

Ryong: Ah. Thanks!
...
...
Also: whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...?
(As in, "Pray tell, good sir, how one would go about initiating such bizarre and unusual feats of gaming within the otherwise relatively straightforward system that is 4E.")

[Meister]

The good thing about this is, it can't possible be too late:



Use at own risk, I have no idea how balanced this is, I'm not sure at all about the way it handles effects and conditions and the breath weapon might be if not pretty strong, then certainly frustrating to players.

Notes:

As far as I could see, the time dragon's role in combat is defined largely by his additional actions, immunity to effects with a duration and imposition of effects in some way related to the flow of time, especially the breath weapon that shifts characters forward one round. Controller seemed a good fit. All dragons and a lot of solos actually already get additional actions, so I simply left that aspect as it was - it's largely going to be a matter of description. The same goes for ending certain effects automatically. Flat out immunity against ongoing effects is something not even gods get, but an additional saving throw (at +5) is very good indeed.

Immunity to slowed is a little unorthodox, but fits well and probably doesn't cause too many problems.

Wizening Ray is lifted directly from the Phane and makes a very fine representation of the 3.5 time dragon's line breath weapon. Again, vivid description is key.

The Breath Weapon has a huge chance of becoming frustrating for players as they're denied their entire action allotment. Use with care, maybe consider bumping it to recharge 6 or even an encounter power.

Temporal Fugue is just an additional way to rework the condition immunity. Actually now that I look at it you might want to add that the dragon can only use it to end effects that last until a saving throw or the end of someone's turn. That seems fairer. e: now that I think about it you might want to remove the part about automatically ending ongoing damage from Time Mastery, too. The additional saving throw covers that.

Super casual 4E PBP

So that's Nikose and tactics - Ryong, I take it you're not enough of a PBP fan to want to join?

My internet access for big projects like this is going to be sketchy over the next few weeks, hopefully not months, anyway, so don't expect this to go down very soon. I figure once I got my shit sorted out I'll make a separate recruitment thread, but I'd like to have four to five players for this.

[tacticslion]

Originally Posted by Meister

Liquid awesome turned into gold paste for yayness!

That's... fantastic! Thanks Meister! Repped! (although you don't exactly need it!)

That looks beautiful. I'll take your notes into consideration when putting it into my own game later. I'll have to let you know how it goes, however, due to real life stuff, that particular game has been delayed... again... which is kind of frustrating, but that's how it goes some times. Nonetheless, it's a perfect fit for what I was looking for and into. Probably the only thing I'd change (if you think it's a good idea and they still do that in 4E) is grant it overland flight 12.

Basically everything about this is terrific!

[Meister]

Sure. I mean technically everything overland flight does, a simply fly speed can do better, which I imagine is the reason more recent monsters don't have it anymore, but on the other hand it doesn't hurt to include it.

e: you could also include some time-based terrain effects and benefits. Maybe the flow of time around a time dragon becomes unstable, and a character can benefit from that with an Arcana check and gain, say, a speed bonus, or avoid the aura effect for a turn. Spending an action point could be described as pulling your future self from in six seconds into the present to take an additional action, then disappearing (as you're pulled into the past, naturally). For that matter that can easily be the flavour for the dragon's additional actions, although hearing the description every turn might diminish the effect.

[tacticslion]

Originally Posted by Meister

Sure. I mean technically everything overland flight does, a simply fly speed can do better, which I imagine is the reason more recent monsters don't have it anymore, but on the other hand it doesn't hurt to include it.

e: you could also include some time-based terrain effects and benefits. Maybe the flow of time around a time dragon becomes unstable, and a character can benefit from that with an Arcana check and gain, say, a speed bonus, or avoid the aura effect for a turn. Spending an action point could be described as pulling your future self from in six seconds into the present to take an additional action, then disappearing (as you're pulled into the past, naturally). For that matter that can easily be the flavour for the dragon's additional actions, although hearing the description every turn might diminish the effect.

Flight: That's cool. I'd thought of overland flight as kind of useless at first, but then figured it was to guesstimate long-distance travel (kind of like the difference between forced marching and a long walk) and for purposes of endurance checks.

As far as flavor: that's great! And yes, using it judiciously is important.

[Red Mage Black]

Okay, you guys know how I'm running a Kingmaker game, right? Well, one player who won't be playing anymore told me that (the arrogant asshole I mentioned before) wanted to have a 'civil conversation' with me. Being the nice guy that I am, I thought I'd hear him out. It turned out to be 20 minutes(or more) of a waste of my life. He insulted my players, my friends and me. Then he decided to drudge up ancient history to insult me. Granted, we didn't get to the first combat of the first book, but that was more the pacing with the amount of people in the group, but we have a nice start to the next session where combat will actually begin.

Yeah, I realize I deleted time stamps and only the first few lines have others in the conversation cut out. Xero is the epitome of arrogance and douchebaggery.
Xero Making them do no gear runs too?
Xero And it's not really the same, Alan.
Itzal And no, I didn't tell Xavier to start with nothing. I told him he wouldn't need it right now anyway.
Xero Six homos =/= six baller ass motherfuckers.
Itzal This is the shit I'm talking about.
Xero Hmm?
Xavier well actually we have two homos
Xero We do?
Xavier Yeah man
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Piero and Sean?
Xavier Piero, Xero, Itzal Gnome and his love partner
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Lol
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal They're so homo
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero You call everything of mine shit and somehow your shit is solid gold, huh?
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal but IC homo.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I didn't call anything shit. Only Xavier did.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Xero says: Six homos =/= six baller ass motherfuckers
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I just called your players a bunch of faggots.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Insulting my players, yeah.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Because Xavier told me they were.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero And am I expecting him to be a spy of yours?
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal and Eva said she felt a little uncomfortable playing.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Why would he be a spy? He's not playing, lol.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero First I've heard of it, but it's not like he participated in the game anyway.
Xavier Piero, Xero, Itzal I was going to, but he never got back to me about being a local witch or not, or rolling for money, or... Anything, really.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Just ignored you, going on ahead with the adventures of DMPC and his band of lovebirds.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero I said, "You won't need it."
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero We weren't even getting to combat that session.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero If all you're going to do is insult my group and my game, I'll take my leave.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Really? You weren't getting to the first fucking combat in Kingmaker? The one that happens within 15 minutes?
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal That's a little unrealistic, Alan.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero I'm not even sure why I didn't bother clicking the x the second the window popped up.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Because you wanted to try and not be an asshole?
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Get over yourself bro.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Says the guy insulting my group and telling me his group is better. Practice what you preach, dude.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I do
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal My group is better.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Sean tickles balls.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Are you done yet?
Xavier Piero, Xero, Itzal why would you mention that
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Can I leave?
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Because he does.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Done what?
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I brought you in for a civil chat.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal and you get defensive
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Uh
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal and hostile.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Insulting my group was your opening shot.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Lolwat
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I only stated facts, Alan.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero You initiated hostilities.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Facts Xavier told me, and facts I learned from looking at your Facebook.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal You took them as hostile.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero >facts learned from looking at my facebook >haven't been on FB in over a 1 1/2 months
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero -a
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal >Still have a bunch of faggot friends
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Dude, chill out. It's okay to be homo.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero >none of those people in the group
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Just look at Xavier.
Xavier Piero, Xero, Itzal what
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Every single one of your friends has been a huge homo, ALan. Including Eva.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Okay
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Tell me
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero This isn't hostilities?
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Insulting my friends, my group and me.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I didn't insult anybody
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero C'mon Xero, wars have been started over lesser things.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I said they were ridiculously homosexual.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Which is true
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero You ARE the epitome of douchebag.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I am the epitome of awesome, and you could be too, if you tried.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero >be an asshole and have a select few friends >be a nice guy and have a whole group of friends I can count on
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero I'm willing to take option b.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Maybe if you were, your internet girlfriend wouldn't try to jump on my dick when I said hello.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Shit was gross.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Wanted me to rape her.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal >select few friends
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I have loads of friends.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Mirela still makes fun of me for it.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal "You could always go rub lotion on Eva's back. Lololo"
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Then I >: (
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Because that shit wasn't funny.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero You wanted to have a civil conversation, but civil conversation doesn't include insulting the people one hangs out with.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal There was no insulting had.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I commented on your poor choice of companionship.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero I could show this conversation to about 50 other people who would probably disagree with that statement and none of those 50 would be the people from my group.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I get it Alan, you have a lot of friends from whoring yourself out on Gaia pretending to have a vagina.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal That's cool yo.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal But keep it away from conversations about real shit
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Wow man.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero You still use Gaia as an insult.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal You still use Gaia as a hookup place.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Oh, man
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Oneo f my new players
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal is Ryan's old player he wanted to play Saga with
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal When they joined the Hamachi that one time
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero No, it's from a place I went to even before I even TOUCHED Gaia.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Been going there for the last 7 years.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal You went to Gaia before you even touched Gaia?
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I meant as a hookup place for online sex, bro. not players.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero I haven't been to Gaia in ages.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero So long.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero No regrets.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal It would be understandable, with all the internet cocks you have.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal To stuff in your mouth
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal and wish you had a life.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero You know.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Again
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero You wanted to have civil conversation.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I am
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero And this is not civil conversation.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I'm only stating facts, brosef.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal You're coming back at me with insults and hostility.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Facts =/= uncivil
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero No, I haven't made an insult for a while now. You're insulting me with ancient history and made up facts, then adding your own little twist to make your group and you sound better than anything I could do.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal A little twist? What?
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal They really are
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal They're a bunch of baller ass players who play in fun and unique ways.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal You should have seen how they dealt with today's penultimate encounter.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal It was great.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Alan, everyone has a limit. You've hit yours.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero This sounds more like you want me to come back because you have no one else to push around.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal It's alright
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Lol, what?
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I wouldn't let you back even if you paid me.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Game's too full.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal And these people are interesting.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Suspiciously specific denial.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal >suspiciously specific >You just said it
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Good job.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Want a medal?
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I know. I've got a great group. I bet they'd make me one if I asked.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero More like, "If I demanded."
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I don't demand anything from them.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Except initiative rolls.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero >"Make a character for this game." "We're playing this."
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Demands demands demands.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Nope. I put up my ad on /tg/ and they all responded.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Willing and ready to fight.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero >they all >despite the fact you've been known and hated on /tg/
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Lolwat
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Zhakuvaan is known and hated.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero You've even said it yourself.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal whimsicalKillmachine is unknown.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Screenshot....
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Oooooh scary
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Ayup
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I don't even post on /tg/
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal or 4chan, actually.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Why don't you go search your backlogs for the time I said that burritos make me gassy, and spam me with pictures of burritos.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero >xero contradicts himself within 2 minutes
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Xero says: Nope. I put up my ad on /tg/ and they all responded. Willing and ready to fight.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Yes, I don't post regularly on /tg/
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Your screenshot would do nothing.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero You keep contradicting yourself.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I could post as Zhakuvaan and people would respond, bro.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero How fun
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal It's called charisma.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal I've got it.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Right so....
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Where are people here who are permanent from /tg/?
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Everyone I've seen you bring in has left.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Wah?
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Piero is chillin, afk. Everyone else is asleep, and Xavier is laughing.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Norrie's fappin
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero This isn't civil conversation, this was just so you could have someone to be a dickwad to again.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal They were tired after an entire day of gaming.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Not really, it was Xavier's idea
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Funny
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Xavier says: Hey bro. Xero wants me to invite you to a chat so he can "say mean things to him" Well okay then
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero >Xero wants me to invite you to chat
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal He told you that?
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Xavier, that's fucked up
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal No wonder he came in hostile.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Well whatever.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal It's also
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal really funny
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal This is why my group rocks.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero >Xero is easily amused
Anyway
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal >Alan is easily threatened
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal >and quick to orgasm when anybody comes within 2 meters of his penis
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero No, threatened would be trying to insult your group instead. I never made a single comment to anyone you had assembled. That was all you.
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Because you know they're fuckin ballers
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal and shot callers.
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Right
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero Well
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal Piero could fuck anybody you wanted to fuck
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal right now
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal with his 10 inch venezuela dick
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal while claling them harry.
Xavier Piero, Xero, Itzal Piero is like, a latin love machine though
Xavier Piero, Xero, Itzal You saw the smooth moves he was workin on dat orc
Xero Piero, Xavier, Itzal So smooth
Itzal Piero, Xavier, Xero I'll be taking my leave now, since all you want to do is brag like an arrogant fuckwad.
This is why I stopped playing with him. He's an unreasonable douchebag that thinks he's King Shit and that everything he does is the best. Piero, the guys name mentioned in the conversation above, is actually a cool guy. Even he told me that the douchebag was acting like a child. He wants to get us back together to at least 'try and have a mature conversation'. I don't think Xero is capable of a mature conversation, honestly and from what I've gathered, I've been the only one in the group to really bring out the unreasonable and childish side of him. I appreciate what Piero is trying to do, but things had always been tense between Xero and I. He's just way too much of a dick for me to be able to tolerate.