Let's Have a Civil Discussion about Mod Discretion - Page 13

POS Industries · 05-30-2012, 09:40 AM

I'm just going to to note that Liz more often flies off the handle less at people who disagree with her and more with people who disagree with her using really terrible arguments to back up their opinions.

I'm not saying this excuses the outbursts and I'm sure many of you think that you presented your ideas in an intelligent, reasonable, and downright gentlemanly fashion, but trust me I was there and you didn't.

Sifright · 05-30-2012, 09:46 AM

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I'm just going to to note that Liz more often flies off the handle less at people who disagree with her and more with people who disagree with her using really terrible arguments to back up their opinions.

I'm not saying this excuses the outbursts and I'm sure many of you think that you presented your ideas in an intelligent, reasonable, and downright gentlemanly fashion, but trust me I was there and you didn't.

I do hope that isn't in reference to the ME3 stuff, and is talking about other things.

POS Industries · 05-30-2012, 09:51 AM

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I do hope that isn't in reference to the ME3 stuff, and is talking about other things.

Liz shouldn't have told you to kill yourself over it, but you did do a pretty bad job making your case.

And it's neither the first time you've done a bad job making your case nor, I assume, will it be the last.

Sifright · 05-30-2012, 09:54 AM

Yea see thats funny because I recall you specifically stating you paid 0 attention to the whole thing until Liz and K-resh started throwing around full caps. I really wish I could actually get a look at the logs to see how this is my fault though,

Edit: because like your basically saying that liz simply over reacted to me and that being annoyed with me was warranted.

edit edit: at least thats how it comes across to me

POS Industries · 05-30-2012, 10:15 AM

I said I wasn't paying attention when Liz told you to kill yourself (which, once again, I will point out that she shouldn't have done), but you know I was paying attention to the large share of the discussion because I, not being someone that actually cares about Mass Effect, was asking questions to clarify what the reasoning was that people on your side of the argument were taking.

It was not very convincing, and while my attention was divided between a couple different things, when I'd check it didn't seem like you were making your point well at all. I don't know if that was a failure on your part or if that side of the argument really is just that bad that even your masterful debate skills couldn't make it sound good, but it sure didn't work out well for you either way.

Sifright · 05-30-2012, 10:19 AM

Was an edit: Now a new post because it fits the discussion better that way

Triple Edit: how is the view "It's not nice to laugh at people who feel they got screwed because they trusted information from the project producer who wrote the final scenes of the game when he states the game will be one way and then it's completely the opposite" If thats all it takes to start you getting your haterade on then I think there are problems.

like the start of the conversation was liz being gleeful about people getting shafted over the ending and being disappointed. 'because they should have known better'

EDIT: not very convincing? How wasn't it convicing marketing and production team lied their asses off about content literally a month before the game came out. Explicitly stated shit that ran contrary to what was in the game. Between my self Skweeb and K-resh we showed perfect evidence in the form of links to images and articles and we articulated the point that Yea the production and marketing team for bioware lied their asses off and being gleeful and laughing at people who got screwed by it isn't cool.

POS Industries · 05-30-2012, 10:23 AM

Because they should have known better because you never trust information from the project producer.

Sifright · 05-30-2012, 10:24 AM

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Because they should have known better because you never trust information from the project producer.

So that makes it okay to be happy and laugh at people that feel they got screwed? Also if you can't trust the person who literally helped write the final moments of the game to be honest about how it plays out when advertising or marketing the game then clearly law suits for false advertisement should be a thing. It's beyond ridiculous that lieing about content and function is allowed.

Double edit: Also that clearly warrants becoming angry about people saying that Yea the only mistake liz made was telling people to slit their own throats.

POS Industries · 05-30-2012, 10:26 AM

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So that makes it okay to be happy and laugh at people that feel they got screwed?

Over the ending of a video game? Yes.

Over something that actually matters to people's lives? No.

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Also that clearly warrants becoming angry about people saying that Yea the only mistake liz made was telling people to slit their own throats.

And you aren't making this argument from a point of anger yourself?

Like, I don't want this to come down to the two of us just going "U MAD" at each other, but it's not like either side of this discussion is based in cold, emotionless Vulcan logic. Except mine, I guess, but I firmly believe that my opinion on ME3 shouldn't have any bearing one way or the other what with never having played any of them.

Sifright · 05-30-2012, 10:33 AM

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Over the ending of a video game? Yes.

Over something that actually matters to people's lives? No.

And you aren't making this argument from a point of anger yourself?

Like, I don't want this to come down to the two of us just going "U MAD" at each other, but it's not like either side of this discussion is based in cold, emotionless Vulcan logic. Except mine, I guess, but I firmly believe that my opinion on ME3 shouldn't have any bearing one way or the other what with never having played any of them.

I actually wasn't angry during that conversation. I was incredulous the entire way through because I couldn't believe how any one could take that kind of view point and not be trolling.

Edit: Oh you mean now? No i'm at work at kind of to busy to angry :P I'm actually kind of rushed and really shouldn't be spending any time on here!

05-30-2012, 09:40 AM	#121
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	I'm just going to to note that Liz more often flies off the handle less at people who disagree with her and more with people who disagree with her using really terrible arguments to back up their opinions. I'm not saying this excuses the outbursts and I'm sure many of you think that you presented your ideas in an intelligent, reasonable, and downright gentlemanly fashion, but trust me I was there and you didn't. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

05-30-2012, 09:54 AM	#124
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Yea see thats funny because I recall you specifically stating you paid 0 attention to the whole thing until Liz and K-resh started throwing around full caps. I really wish I could actually get a look at the logs to see how this is my fault though, Edit: because like your basically saying that liz simply over reacted to me and that being annoyed with me was warranted. edit edit: at least thats how it comes across to me __________________ Orgies of country consuming violence Last edited by Sifright; 05-30-2012 at 10:22 AM.

05-30-2012, 10:15 AM	#125
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	I said I wasn't paying attention when Liz told you to kill yourself (which, once again, I will point out that she shouldn't have done), but you know I was paying attention to the large share of the discussion because I, not being someone that actually cares about Mass Effect, was asking questions to clarify what the reasoning was that people on your side of the argument were taking. It was not very convincing, and while my attention was divided between a couple different things, when I'd check it didn't seem like you were making your point well at all. I don't know if that was a failure on your part or if that side of the argument really is just that bad that even your masterful debate skills couldn't make it sound good, but it sure didn't work out well for you either way. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

05-30-2012, 10:19 AM	#126
Sifright Fact sphere is the most handsome Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,108	Was an edit: Now a new post because it fits the discussion better that way Triple Edit: how is the view "It's not nice to laugh at people who feel they got screwed because they trusted information from the project producer who wrote the final scenes of the game when he states the game will be one way and then it's completely the opposite" If thats all it takes to start you getting your haterade on then I think there are problems. like the start of the conversation was liz being gleeful about people getting shafted over the ending and being disappointed. 'because they should have known better' EDIT: not very convincing? How wasn't it convicing marketing and production team lied their asses off about content literally a month before the game came out. Explicitly stated shit that ran contrary to what was in the game. Between my self Skweeb and K-resh we showed perfect evidence in the form of links to images and articles and we articulated the point that Yea the production and marketing team for bioware lied their asses off and being gleeful and laughing at people who got screwed by it isn't cool. __________________ Orgies of country consuming violence Last edited by Sifright; 05-30-2012 at 10:24 AM.

05-30-2012, 10:23 AM	#127
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	Because they should have known better because you never trust information from the project producer. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.