Forgotten Realms Mafia!

[Nikose Tyris]

Votes on Kerensky: 8.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Kerensky287

The fact is that I'm NOT going to survive until day 2 - I'll probably be lynched by morning, and if I don't, the mafia has demonstrated itself to be pissed enough at me to start using personal attacks in a public setting - so my defection is sort of irrelevant. I guess the three kills a night thing was supposed to discourage me from defecting on day 1, since I couldn't count on that many bodyguards, and it's my fault for not knowing how that worked. So sue me.

I can kinda understand why they'd be pretty fuckin' pissed at you at this point.

[IHateMakingNames]

If you'd name every other mafia member I'd believe you.

Otherwise, I find it far more likely this is some mafia ruse. My guess is that Moogle is unnightkillable, or can't be killed specifically by the mafia, but he's a role the mafia needs killed and they were told this information. So Kerensky sacrifices himself to get Moogle killed, by being lycnhed day one as mafia then everyone believing him that Moogle is the don and him being vig'd/lynched.

[greed]

Vote: Kerensky

Until you name the other mafiates.

[Sifright]

I've gone over Kerenskys posts again, I note he mentions that Moogle being night killed would still make him the vig. This alleviates the concern I had over him having a lyncher role where he has to get moogle lynched. I truly don't believe A mafia player would gambit like this day 1 to get a single person lynched I can't conceive of a power role that would make the mafia players think a one to one trade off is worth it. Mafia members have limited numbers and 1 - 1 trades always end unfavourably I'm inclined to believe his claim.

How we go about using that information is another matter. Ideally if he is going to be killed by the mafia any way killing him now would be stupid lets force the mafia to waste a kill on him tonight.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

How does that make you think he's not a lyncher? Lynchers have a target they have to get lynched. His actions in pointing the finger at Moogle and trying to get people to lynch him is totally in character for a lyncher. By the time people lynch Moogle, Kerensky would have already achieved his goal and wouldn't have to fear any reprisal once we find out he's lieing.

The other possibility is he's a jester, who wants to make an outrageous claim D1 that he knows nobody would believe in order to get himself lynched. Both could fit here.

In the possibility that he is telling the truth, and we lynch him, he turns up as a turncoat mafia, and we can then go after Moogle, taking down 2/5 Mafiates straight away. Even with their supposed 3 kills per night then, we still have a good chance of taking down the rest before they have majority.

I'm also suspicious of the fact that he's not telling us who the rest of the mafia are. If he was planning on flipping and becoming a vig, then he would immediately start going after them anyway, which would result in a quick mafia loss. We'd also want to know, once he's vig, who it is he's going after, so we can target somebody else, so witholding the information is pointless anyway, because he would have to tell us if he flips vig anyway, and it would still amount to a quick mafia loss either way. He says it's fear of GM kill, but he's seemingly about to be lynched anyway now, can't survive all 3 night kills if the mafia go after him if he's not lynched and if he was really on the towns side he would tell us anyway. 1 Death for 4 mafia is a good trade off if you're supposed to be on the towns side.

But the entire claim breaks down anyway, on the basis that a) mafia apparantly has 3 kills a night, which would mean an easy victory for them, unless there's somethig massive the town has to counter it, and b) the entire mafia can be taken down based on 1 persons actions. That means the entire game is centred on 1 players decision on when to turn traitor, and is wildly unbalanced. Now, maybe the traitor is the balancing factor in the 3 kills per night ability, but that doesn't seem very fair to the rest of us. We might as well not play if it all comes down to when Kerensky decides to betray mafia.

Now, I know there's some precedence for Nik making bizzare roles, like in the Superhero mafia, but I can't imagine he'd do something this unbalanced. Or maybe the Superhero mafia was this ridic, I duno, can anyone tell me if it was?

I feel that the simplest answer to this is that Kerensky just has some sort of self aligned goal, whether lyncher or some bizzare thing Nik came up with or whatever, but either way, he's clearly up to something and it probably doesn't benefit us at all.


Wow, that turned out a lot longer than I initially intended.

[Nikose Tyris]

9 votes on Kerensky.


Deadline Noonish.

[Kerensky287]

Originally Posted by IHateMakingNames

If you'd name every other mafia member I'd believe you.

Otherwise, I find it far more likely this is some mafia ruse. My guess is that Moogle is unnightkillable, or can't be killed specifically by the mafia, but he's a role the mafia needs killed and they were told this information. So Kerensky sacrifices himself to get Moogle killed, by being lycnhed day one as mafia then everyone believing him that Moogle is the don and him being vig'd/lynched.

Originally Posted by greed

Vote: Kerensky

Until you name the other mafiates.

Sure, guys, I'll name the other mafiates. Just as soon as you start trying to intentionally get rid of your fellow townies.

Like, here's the thing that I've mentioned on several occasions already: if I name ANY of the other mafiates except for Moogle, I get GMkilled for cheating. And even then I've been pointing at them as hard as I can without using names or specific callouts.

I just don't understand this whacked-out idea where the only way you're willing to go without lynching me is if I get GMkilled.

Once again:

-I cannot publically say that any mafiates are ACTUALLY mafiates. That means that if I FoS somebody who is mafia, I get GMkilled. I have FoS'd MULTIPLE people regardless, and since I can't FoS Mafia.... welp!

-I hinted that it would be a bad idea to go after inactives, and then later explicitly said that every mafiate (other than Moogle) had posted. That's because when I gave the first hint, only 2 of 3 had posted. Between those two posts of mine, a mafiate made his first post of the thread.

-A page or two ago, someone made a personal attack. That is because they KNEW I was being honest (how could they know, pray tell???), could not disprove me, and simply tried to continue swinging personal opinion against me. I deliberately avoided responding in the hopes that someone would catch that and think that maybe, just maybe, there was something odd about this post.

Originally Posted by Karesh

I can kinda understand why they'd be pretty fuckin' pissed at you at this point.

Well, I never said it was unjustified. :P

Them using personal attacks is uncalled-for though.

"If you must hate, do not hate the player; hate the game."

-Gandhi

[Sifright]

Originally Posted by Kerensky287

Sure, guys, I'll name the other mafiates. Just as soon as you start trying to intentionally get rid of your fellow townies.

Like, here's the thing that I've mentioned on several occasions already: if I name ANY of the other mafiates except for Moogle, I get GMkilled for cheating. And even then I've been pointing at them as hard as I can without using names or specific callouts.

I just don't understand this whacked-out idea where the only way you're willing to go without lynching me is if I get GMkilled.

Once again:

-I cannot publically say that any mafiates are ACTUALLY mafiates. That means that if I FoS somebody who is mafia, I get GMkilled. I have FoS'd MULTIPLE people regardless, and since I can't FoS Mafia.... welp!

-I hinted that it would be a bad idea to go after inactives, and then later explicitly said that every mafiate (other than Moogle) had posted. That's because when I gave the first hint, only 2 of 3 had posted. Between those two posts of mine, a mafiate made his first post of the thread.

-A page or two ago, someone made a personal attack. That is because they KNEW I was being honest (how could they know, pray tell???), could not disprove me, and simply tried to continue swinging personal opinion against me. I deliberately avoided responding in the hopes that someone would catch that and think that maybe, just maybe, there was something odd about this post.



Well, I never said it was unjustified. :P

Them using personal attacks is uncalled-for though.

"If you must hate, do not hate the player; hate the game."

-Gandhi

Yea, I actually believe you less after that post.

Vote:Kerensky

[Kerensky287]

Unvote: Moogle

Vote: Kerensky

So I can stop checking the thread.