America Is A Terrible Country

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Bells

As for your parallel with alcohol prohibition on the US, i'm not versed in the subject much beyond movies, so that`s hardly worth shit... but i would suspect that there is a difference in a substance that is created -in- the country against one that mostly come from -outside- the country... i`m not going to say that it totally demolishes your point or anything like that... but why isn't this apples and oranges?

First of all I live in Michigan, our devil's tears came from Canada, we had people crossing the Detroit with fresh stun gravy every damn day.

Second it's not hardly worth shit just because you don't know about it. In fact, you not knowing about it actually kind of speaks to you maybe just stopping right here, because if you don't know jack about the closest parallel in US history then from where do you draw your knowledge? You seem to have little to no perspective on the matters in which you seem to be trying to speak with such authority. So let me educate you. There actually is a difference, in that the problems that the Mafia ran into would be even more extreme. Shipping is phenomenally more complicated for Cartels than it was back then, for sheer distance alone. Then you get into the sophistication the US government now applies to seeking and destroying smuggling operations, and the lack of genuine political influence that cartels can apply.So, everything I'm saying about the mafia getting absolutely crushed applies doubly. Especially given the power and ferocity of the corporate machine in America today.

Yes, things are different. Congratulations! But even the most cursory examination shows that the differences are all applied in ways that directly contradict your point.

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Second it's not hardly worth shit just because you don't know about it. In fact, you not knowing about it actually kind of speaks to you maybe just stopping right here, because if you don't know jack about the closest parallel in US history then from where do you draw your knowledge? You seem to have little to no perspective on the matters in which you seem to be trying to speak with such authority.

Second it's not hardly worth shit just because you don't know about it. In fact, you not knowing about it actually kind of speaks to you maybe just stopping right here, because if you don't know jack about the closest parallel in US history then from where do you draw your knowledge? You seem to have little to no perspective on the matters in which you seem to be trying to speak with such authority.

Double QFT with emphasis added because jesus, dude.

[Bells]

i actually meant to say that since the little i know beyond common knowledge and maybe some wikipedia is a couple of movies done about that era, so i would assume that my knowledge wouldn't be much to allow me to see a broader picture beyond what i'm told... not that the actual event and time are meaningless or any thing like that. that being said...

and the lack of genuine political influence that cartels can apply

I'm not sure at all you got a point -there- ... but not be reactionary... apply to what? Where?

...also i`m still waiting on that hug.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Bells

I'm not sure at all you got a point -there- ... but not be reactionary... apply to what? Where?

...Are you kidding me?

[Bells]

or maybe i just didn't understood? honest question, really... "political influence" is a broader term than you might think. And there are multiple areas where you can apply leverage and influence... just trying to follow your train of thought here. Is it just in the US you are talking about? America? North ? South? Globally?

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

What am I talking about?
What would the Cartels ability to apply political pressure in Kazakhstan or basically anywhere else on Earth have to do with legalization of drugs in The United States of America?

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[Kim]

It is also worth pointing out that the drug war hurts more than people in the US. Drug cartels in Mexico, for example, have the power they do because of US drug policy, and their power makes life worse for people in Mexico.

[Bells]

Originally Posted by K-Resh

What am I talking about?
What would the Cartels ability to apply political pressure in Kazakhstan or basically anywhere else on Earth have to do with legalization of drugs in The United States of America?

You mean aside from ways to protect their supply and expand under a international grey umbrella while smuggling to inside the country....?

Dude, Most drugs that circulate in a country are not produce inside that country... i already said this before. The problem is illegal drugs coming in and legal money going out. That`s what you want to prevent. Your country becoming a transit country for illegal drugs and money laundry that use legalization or decriminalization as shields. You might want to think that the government does a pretty good job controlling drug smuggling, and it surely does... just check how much drug gets apprehended on borders and customs... but they are sophisticated too on how they move around.

That`s why i asked regarding the differences between alcohol prohibition in early america and drug prohibition now going forward... because you are no longer dealing with smuggling on the state line, now it's transcontinental. It`s not that i`m ignoring your point or anything. I clearly said that i`m not well versed in the history of alcohol prohibition... but you don't have to to be within borders to operate, most cartels don`t.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Bells

That`s why i asked regarding the differences between alcohol prohibition in early america and drug prohibition now going forward... because you are no longer dealing with smuggling on the state line, now it's transcontinental. It`s not that i`m ignoring your point or anything. I clearly said that i`m not well versed in the history of alcohol prohibition... but you don't have to to be within borders to operate, most cartels don`t.

And how does that support your argument?