Hatland Mafia - Page 19

Geminex · 10-27-2011, 09:32 AM

I don't even think that this is a tactic, honestly. I just agree with smarty that this is not the way to play a game of mafia.

Inbred Chocobo · 10-27-2011, 09:41 AM

What the hell were you people doing here after I posted?

Unvote: Whoever

Vote: Sifright and Snake AT THE SAME TIME

No I'm not actually allowed to do that, but I'm doing it anyway.

Snake: Your posts contain detailed reasoning about a lot of different steps to how to come to certain conclusions. The problem with this is that you end up explaining a lot of different little details that don't all seem to converge into one topic, and then things feel a little garbelled and the original intent of the post is lost. This is why your posts are being seen as less that optimal and worth less than the normal, because I believe your current essay style it a bit more difficult to understand in passing than the average post. I'm still confused on what some of your posts were trying to accomplish, but I think its more of style and trying to get people to understand than due to anything.

Sifright: Your use of language in the situation is making you come across incredibly harsh, and people are taking real offense to it. I would suggest you cut out the language some. This was why Snake reacted the way he did to your criticism. Snake's aggrievated response was due to your bait, and you got it.

Everyone else: I want this to be the final post about this whole arguement, please post about different issues or accusations. I understand you are trying to help, but if we keep this arguing or bringing up the situation (coming from the guy posting about it ha) then it won't die down.

For the both of you, take a minute to lean back, maybe grab a drink, and think about something different. If you think about mafia over and over again, its just going to get harder and you aren't going to make any friends.

Now that that is over with, onto what I want to contribute to the thread.

Shyria still hasn't posted. So she probably isn't reading this thread or something, I don't know. She feels like just a freakin inactive, and honestly, that tends to happen when the person doesn't have any realy attachments. Most likely town, dismissing her for now.

Snake's posts are all about analysis of playstyle and figuring out how a person is acting. None of that is truely useless, but may give information that Snake isn't meaning too. Sometimes you have to look for inconsistences in a person, why are they acting that way now when they weren't, or about stuff that was posting that isn't anymore. His posts also are mostly defensive in nature, mostly because is posting style has been under attack the whole time.

The biggest thing that I notice from Snake's posting is that at one point he talks about how he himself would act given a certain situation. The biggest one was stating that if he were scum, he would be less in your face with these inconsistencies and posting on about calling people out. The problem with all of that is that none of his posting really has been a callout. Sure he has made an analysis of certain people, but he hasn't pinned one to a spotlight. He has been extremely defensive. In fact, its so defensive, that I have to wonder exactly what are his motivations for being like so.

Not only that, but Snake has constantly tried to appeal to the person, trying to get them to like him. The thing about that is that is a more psychological tactic. By appealing to who the person is and getting them to like you, their motivations will change behind the scene of what they think of you. About a quarter of Snake's posts have been calling people out on their style, and half is about defending either accusations on why he was doing that, or defense in general. The last quarter seems to be made up of personal appeals to a few individuals that are arguing.

In truth, Snake is under a lot of fire from the rest of you guys, so I imagine that this skewing to defense is apart of that. However some of the defensive tactics he has chosen just don't appear to be the right way to go about so. They are meant to appeal more to the human being behind the desk than to anything related to the game. I can't say I'm 100% certain on this still that this is the best call however, but I wanted to call out a couple things I have spotted in his posts.

Next, Sifright seems to have an agenda against Snake, as he was after him hard there for a while. Maybe it really was just a snappy comeback, but that was pursued a bit too hard for my tastes to just be something that posting style of Snake PISSED ME OFF!!!!1. I feel like Sifright may have ulterior motives for his aggressiveness, whether he may realize them or not.

And of course as I write this I get ninja'd by the lot of you, you bastards. Still, I think my opinions differ slightly than what was going on, but I'm going to leave them up anyway and lets call the dicussion on that arguement done.

Professor Smarmiarty · 10-27-2011, 09:57 AM

I'll give a proper answer tonight once I've gone through all the backlog but the thing about Snake is his entire game this time has been focused on angering people. His very first wall post was a list of everyone in the game and taking a shot at them designed to rile them up. 90% of his other posts were comments on either his skill or others lack of skill or highly directed comments on posting style. While it has been defensive it's been a very aggressive defensive and this defensive tactics fits into his pre-suiper defensive tactic of calling out people in a way that targets the man behind the keyboard rather than whether they were scum or not.
This is why I think there was some strategy involved. He's defineatly trying to psych out the everyone posting and skew posting into either non-existence or emotional backlashes. THis could have two effects 1) Shut down the town from posting as has pretty much happened so far- a scum outcome or 2) Allow him to take command of the town and rattle out the scum through getting them to reply more emotionally than rationally- a town outcome.

I could go either way (and will detail it out more fully later) but I'm leaning towards the former more than the latter for now, particularly as it has rattled us, it stopped me posting, it did shut down debate hugely and he kept at it. Another factor as this was defineatly not his style in the last game which was more based around discourse- this adversial style is very different and would suit more how I see Snake in a scum role.

rpgdemon · 10-27-2011, 10:09 AM

I agree with absolutely everything that Smarty has posted.

Mr.Bookworm · 10-27-2011, 12:05 PM

I would greatly appreciate it if all sides involved would never do that again. Ever or I will start booting people which I would really prefer not to do. I would also particularly not like my Mafia game being the one that gets this entire thing banned from the forums forever again.

Anyway. Let's all be pleasant, and if someone makes something you perceive to be an insult, step back from the computer a bit and go pet a kitten or something until you won't respond with overwhelming vitriol. We are all reasonable adults playing a game on the Internet with other reasonable adults. This game should not get anyone riled up ever.

Vote Count

P-Sleazy - 3
Karesh
Shyria
Moogle

Aldurin - 3
Ravashak
Kerensky
Bard

Karesh - 3
P-Sleazy
Hawk
Snake

Solid Snake - 3
Aldurin
rpgdemon
Revolving Ocelot

Shyria - 1
IC

11 to lynch. ~34 hours left.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 10-27-2011, 12:26 PM

I think we can discount P-Sleazy's votes as mostly jokes. Which puts us down to me, Al and Snake.

I still feel like the Al group lacks concrete reasoning for a lynch, the Snake group is reactionary and may actually feel that while Snake may not be scum he's insulted them in some way and thus they feel they should reactionarily vote him off.

And then there's me, who can't be scum becauuuse... I ain't.
That's about all there is to say on that matter.

rpgdemon · 10-27-2011, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karesh

I think we can discount P-Sleazy's votes as mostly jokes. Which puts us down to me, Al and Snake.

You say that, but these "joke" votes happen to be in the lead.

***Fenris*** · 10-27-2011, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

You say that, but these "joke" votes happen to be in the lead.

Actually, tied for the lead with 3 other contingencies.

BahamutFlare · 10-27-2011, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karesh

I think we can discount P-Sleazy's votes as mostly jokes. Which puts us down to me, Al and Snake.

I still feel like the Al group lacks concrete reasoning for a lynch, the Snake group is reactionary and may actually feel that while Snake may not be scum he's insulted them in some way and thus they feel they should reactionarily vote him off.

And then there's me, who can't be scum becauuuse... I ain't.
That's about all there is to say on that matter.

What I don't see is why it has to be one of you three? The possibility that all three of you are town exists. If we can take a step back, and look at the other members, then maybe we can find scum hiding. In this whole fight, it gave mafia members a perfect reason to lurk. Who wants to get involved in that messy a fight? They can not post and make it an easy day 1 for themselves. Right? I've stated who I suspect the most, P-Sleazy and Shyria. I don't know how they usually act, so because they aren't actually contributing in any way. I perceive that as being against the town.

On a note, who all is still inactive? I don't think I saw Moogle and I don't have a list of members in front of me and bringing up another screen to check for a minor thing isn't that bad.

BahamutFlare · 10-27-2011, 12:32 PM

Hmm. Through this entire thing, Aldurin has been a lot quieter. Maybe once he started being a bigger target for a lynch, the mafia wanted him to quiet a bit?

What happens if majority isn't reached? Is it who has the most votes? Or Is it a no lynch? Or if someone is at 10 and everyone else at 2 or 3, a close enough thing occurs?

Umm Can't we all agree to Friendship the Hell out of every one of us and give big hugs!

10-27-2011, 10:09 AM	#4
rpgdemon Not a Taco Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,313	I agree with absolutely everything that Smarty has posted. __________________ I did a lot of posting on here as a teenager, and I was pretty awful. Even after I learned, grew up, and came to be on the right side of a lot of important issues, I was still angry, abrasive, and generally increased the amount of hate in the world, in pretty unacceptable ways. On the off chance that someone is taking a trip down memory lane looking through those old threads, I wanted to devote my signature to say directly to you, I'm sorry. Thank you for letting me be better, NPF.

10-27-2011, 09:32 AM	#1
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	I don't even think that this is a tactic, honestly. I just agree with smarty that this is not the way to play a game of mafia.

10-27-2011, 09:57 AM	#3
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	I'll give a proper answer tonight once I've gone through all the backlog but the thing about Snake is his entire game this time has been focused on angering people. His very first wall post was a list of everyone in the game and taking a shot at them designed to rile them up. 90% of his other posts were comments on either his skill or others lack of skill or highly directed comments on posting style. While it has been defensive it's been a very aggressive defensive and this defensive tactics fits into his pre-suiper defensive tactic of calling out people in a way that targets the man behind the keyboard rather than whether they were scum or not. This is why I think there was some strategy involved. He's defineatly trying to psych out the everyone posting and skew posting into either non-existence or emotional backlashes. THis could have two effects 1) Shut down the town from posting as has pretty much happened so far- a scum outcome or 2) Allow him to take command of the town and rattle out the scum through getting them to reply more emotionally than rationally- a town outcome. I could go either way (and will detail it out more fully later) but I'm leaning towards the former more than the latter for now, particularly as it has rattled us, it stopped me posting, it did shut down debate hugely and he kept at it. Another factor as this was defineatly not his style in the last game which was more based around discourse- this adversial style is very different and would suit more how I see Snake in a scum role.

10-27-2011, 12:05 PM	#5
Mr.Bookworm YYYEEEEEAAAAAAHHH Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,034	I would greatly appreciate it if all sides involved would never do that again. Ever or I will start booting people which I would really prefer not to do. I would also particularly not like my Mafia game being the one that gets this entire thing banned from the forums forever again. Anyway. Let's all be pleasant, and if someone makes something you perceive to be an insult, step back from the computer a bit and go pet a kitten or something until you won't respond with overwhelming vitriol. We are all reasonable adults playing a game on the Internet with other reasonable adults. This game should not get anyone riled up ever. Vote Count P-Sleazy - 3 Karesh Shyria Moogle Aldurin - 3 Ravashak Kerensky Bard Karesh - 3 P-Sleazy Hawk Snake Solid Snake - 3 Aldurin rpgdemon Revolving Ocelot Shyria - 1 IC 11 to lynch. ~34 hours left.

10-27-2011, 12:32 PM	#10
BahamutFlare Troopa Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: PA Posts: 34	Hmm. Through this entire thing, Aldurin has been a lot quieter. Maybe once he started being a bigger target for a lynch, the mafia wanted him to quiet a bit? What happens if majority isn't reached? Is it who has the most votes? Or Is it a no lynch? Or if someone is at 10 and everyone else at 2 or 3, a close enough thing occurs? Umm Can't we all agree to Friendship the Hell out of every one of us and give big hugs!