One-Child policy key to fixing climate change, says Canadian paper - Page 2

Kepor · 12-11-2009, 01:13 AM

Oh I love this line. I fucking love this line.

Quote:

For those who balk at the notion that governments should control family sizes, just wait until the growing human population turns twice as much pastureland into desert as is now the case, or when the Amazon is gone, the elephants disappear for good and wars erupt over water, scarce resources and spatial needs.

I love how she's railing against conservatives objecting on the grounds of this being government interference, while entirely missing the fact that there might, just might be people who object on the grounds of this being a human rights violation.

Here's an article I found about it, with another journalist's response.

I mean, really. We should be like China? Really now?

Professor Smarmiarty · 12-11-2009, 02:56 AM

While it is an idea that will possibly need to happen at some point it is pretty much unworkable and solves problems not really related to climate change. I agree with the idea in theory- mostly because I don't believe in people's "right" to have children whenever they feel like it- but there's a lot of complications and not really related.
And there is a lot more we can do that would actually curb climate change, this is another solution to help allievate the guilt while not doing anything.
Even if it did help climate change, which it won't really, it will take a long long long time to really affect any results.

Kerensky287 · 12-11-2009, 04:10 AM

I would be in favour of this if it means no more Jon and Kate Plus 8.

Bob The Mercenary · 12-11-2009, 09:00 AM

I can't wait until they start arguing that our life expectancies are too long and something has to be done to "save the planet".

Professor Smarmiarty · 12-11-2009, 09:16 AM

That is a bit of a leap there Bob.

Edit: I mean I could make an argument like thios:
If you advocate people being able to have as many children as they want, then you are advocating that the individual is more important than the commuity, that the individual has rights but no responsibilities in his community.
Thus he can murder whoever he feels like because only he matters, society as a whole can suffer.
This argument is about as ridiculous as saying We want to limit the number of children being born leads to murdering old people.

pochercoaster · 12-11-2009, 11:58 AM

Krylo and Kepor already stated the bulk of my thoughts, but Bob, there's a simple way to test if something is bullshit or not. If someone proposes a simple solution to a complex problem involving multiple variables (culture, economics, war, consumerism) then it's bullshit. Some people want to latch on to simple solutions because it's easy, doesn't require much thought, and it permits them to continue being racist.

These sorts of articles disgust me.

Tev · 12-11-2009, 12:24 PM

I'm still a fan of moving to a space-based civilization to support our burgeoning population. Colony ships, space stations, the whole nine light years.

DarkDrgon · 12-11-2009, 07:21 PM

ok, am I the only one that's read among the hidden (The shadowchild books)? Is that really the kind of world we want to be living in?

POS Industries · 12-11-2009, 07:52 PM

What I like is that no one seems to realize that this is a conservative tabloid newspaper clearly making a hamfisted attempt at Swiftian satire with a hint of rabble rousing the dullards by making them believe that this is a serious proposal out of Copenhagan.

Oh, yellow journalism, you so crazay.

Krylo · 12-11-2009, 10:26 PM

Yeah, upon reading it it was pretty obvious that no one in Copenhagan actually talked about doing that.

In fact, the article complained about that.

12-11-2009, 09:00 AM	#14
Bob The Mercenary Bob Dole Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bob Dole Posts: 5,606	I can't wait until they start arguing that our life expectancies are too long and something has to be done to "save the planet". __________________ Bob Dole

12-11-2009, 09:16 AM	#15
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	That is a bit of a leap there Bob. Edit: I mean I could make an argument like thios: If you advocate people being able to have as many children as they want, then you are advocating that the individual is more important than the commuity, that the individual has rights but no responsibilities in his community. Thus he can murder whoever he feels like because only he matters, society as a whole can suffer. This argument is about as ridiculous as saying We want to limit the number of children being born leads to murdering old people. Last edited by Professor Smarmiarty; 12-11-2009 at 09:22 AM.

12-11-2009, 07:21 PM	#18
DarkDrgon Always Trick Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 978	ok, am I the only one that's read among the hidden (The shadowchild books)? Is that really the kind of world we want to be living in? __________________ [color=red] Kneel before the Lord Drgon, or you will be knelt.

12-11-2009, 07:52 PM	#19
POS Industries Argus Agony Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gotta go fishing! Posts: 10,483	What I like is that no one seems to realize that this is a conservative tabloid newspaper clearly making a hamfisted attempt at Swiftian satire with a hint of rabble rousing the dullards by making them believe that this is a serious proposal out of Copenhagan. Oh, yellow journalism, you so crazay. __________________ Either you're dead or my watch has stopped.

12-11-2009, 10:26 PM	#20
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	Yeah, upon reading it it was pretty obvious that no one in Copenhagan actually talked about doing that. In fact, the article complained about that. __________________ I am very tired.

12-11-2009, 02:56 AM	#12
Professor Smarmiarty Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: K-space Posts: 9,758	While it is an idea that will possibly need to happen at some point it is pretty much unworkable and solves problems not really related to climate change. I agree with the idea in theory- mostly because I don't believe in people's "right" to have children whenever they feel like it- but there's a lot of complications and not really related. And there is a lot more we can do that would actually curb climate change, this is another solution to help allievate the guilt while not doing anything. Even if it did help climate change, which it won't really, it will take a long long long time to really affect any results.

12-11-2009, 04:10 AM	#13
Kerensky287 Just That Good Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,426	I would be in favour of this if it means no more Jon and Kate Plus 8.

12-11-2009, 11:58 AM	#16
pochercoaster rollerpocher tycoon Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,808	Krylo and Kepor already stated the bulk of my thoughts, but Bob, there's a simple way to test if something is bullshit or not. If someone proposes a simple solution to a complex problem involving multiple variables (culture, economics, war, consumerism) then it's bullshit. Some people want to latch on to simple solutions because it's easy, doesn't require much thought, and it permits them to continue being racist. These sorts of articles disgust me.