Gay People And Their Right To Militarize - Page 2

Seil · 02-02-2010, 12:11 PM

I'd be interested to hear something from Flare - where is that lady?

Hanuman · 02-02-2010, 12:15 PM

If women are allowed in why not homosexuals?
It makes less of a difference.

bluestarultor · 02-02-2010, 12:32 PM

I have no idea how a person could get this far without knowing about DADT, but the idea was that it at least LET gays into the military. Technically, it's still illegal to be gay and in the armed forces. DADT basically said that nobody could screen for them. If someone is gay and makes an issue of it, they can be booted.

Frankly, it's a bad policy that we shouldn't need anymore, but with eleventy-billion percent of the armed forces being from the South and the Bible Belt, it's hard enough to deal with racism much less homophobia.

Of course, if the military can't re-educate their troops, they are a failure as a total institution.

Wigmund · 02-02-2010, 02:41 PM

According to this, 23 countries allow gays to serve in their militaries - including most every member of NATO excluding Turkey and the US, Israel, and Australia.

As for the Boy Scouts, they're technically a private organization - so they're allowed to be small-minded bigots when it comes to their recruiting policies. As to whether or not they can continue doing this and receive support from the government is being litigated in various places.

Bells · 02-02-2010, 01:09 PM

Well, in the basis of the argument what you have is that people still think of this subject as if there were groups... y'know?

There is the white people, and there is the black people, and there is the straight people and the gay people... if you pay attention to the political (and the midia) when they talk about this, you can actually see they constructing their narrative as if these groups were actually another species within the human race.

Thus the Bullshit.

bluestarultor · 02-02-2010, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bells

Well, in the basis of the argument what you have is that people still think of this subject as if there were groups... y'know?

There is the white people, and there is the black people, and there is the straight people and the gay people... if you pay attention to the political (and the midia) when they talk about this, you can actually see they constructing their narrative as if these groups were actually another species within the human race.

Thus the Bullshit.

No doubt about that, but it's sadly basic psychology. Humans are social creatures and therefore gravitate into groups of other humans with which they identify. The problem in this case is that they're failing to identify the people around them as being in the same group (the military) and are segmenting them based on their previous biases (race, sex, orientation).

Funka Genocide · 02-02-2010, 01:54 PM

That's kind of bullshit Blues. I've known a lot of people from the "South" in the military who weren't bigots or racists. Some of my best friends are from Texas. That's just another form of discrimination.

The truth of the matter is that the don't ask don't tell policy is mainly in effect because of the voting public. (old people.)

The military doesn't create it's own top-level policy, and honestly any general with troops in Iraq or Afghanistan right now would be happy for any personnel, he doesn't really care what gets them off so long as they can shoot a rifle.

Also, it's not technically illegal to be homosexual in the armed forces, you just can't talk about it or have homosexual sex. Sodomy is still against the law in the UCMJ. But that's really the whole basis of don't ask don't tell.

It has really nothing to do with how military personnel feel about it, it's dictated by the people put into office by the voting public of America. You have to shift public opinion of homosexuality before you can repeal don't ask don't tell, that's basic politics.

CABAL49 · 02-02-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Funka Genocide

That's kind of bullshit Blues. I've known a lot of people from the "South" in the military who weren't bigots or racists. Some of my best friends are from Texas. That's just another form of discrimination.

I can personally confirm that. Two brothers in the military, homegrown North Carolinians. Both progressives.

But we obviously can't let the gays into the military. They'll start a coup and make us all be communist Nazi gay fascists. You guys do remember this Right?

Funka Genocide · 02-02-2010, 03:57 PM

I think the inclusion of an interior decorating specialization throughout the military would greatly increase morale. Have you ever been on a naval vessel? Everythis is so DRAB!

Also, covert homosexuals obviously have the potential to be great intelligence personnel.

Bells · 02-02-2010, 02:02 PM

So, in the heart of business, DADT makes as much sense as "No homos in the boy scouts" over there in the US?

Actually, to broaden up a bit... i know it's a USA issue, but do other countries follow suit to this?

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Seil Super stressed! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: British Columbia Posts: 8,081	I'd be interested to hear something from Flare - where is that lady?

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Funka Genocide Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,566	That's kind of bullshit Blues. I've known a lot of people from the "South" in the military who weren't bigots or racists. Some of my best friends are from Texas. That's just another form of discrimination. The truth of the matter is that the don't ask don't tell policy is mainly in effect because of the voting public. (old people.) The military doesn't create it's own top-level policy, and honestly any general with troops in Iraq or Afghanistan right now would be happy for any personnel, he doesn't really care what gets them off so long as they can shoot a rifle. Also, it's not technically illegal to be homosexual in the armed forces, you just can't talk about it or have homosexual sex. Sodomy is still against the law in the UCMJ. But that's really the whole basis of don't ask don't tell. It has really nothing to do with how military personnel feel about it, it's dictated by the people put into office by the voting public of America. You have to shift public opinion of homosexuality before you can repeal don't ask don't tell, that's basic politics.

02-02-2010, 03:57 PM	#9
Funka Genocide Sent to the cornfield Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,566	I think the inclusion of an interior decorating specialization throughout the military would greatly increase morale. Have you ever been on a naval vessel? Everythis is so DRAB! Also, covert homosexuals obviously have the potential to be great intelligence personnel.