The 3rd Birthday

[Bells]

Originally Posted by Krylo

Doesn't hold water. Aya Brea, promotional material aside, was anything but a sex symbol. Sure, she was attractive, but she was attractive while wearing a leather coat, a t-shirt, some jeans, and tossing around SMGs, Pistols, Shotguns, and Rocket Launchers.

Her clothes never came off. There wasn't a shower scene. There was only her, one cop, trying to stop the creature that was Eve, and finding out about her connections to it. Her gender was never an issue, beyond the feminine/matriarchal tones of the mitochondria in the game.

I didn't play two, or even follow it, so I won't comment on that, but in three you have the same character's personality being changed to make her more 'vulnerable', which--while a rather vague term--is most certainly something that should set off warning bells in anyone who has at all followed modern media vis a vis women and their personalities.

Ah! There really is a link you are missing for not knowing about the changes from 1 to 2, Although it's absolutely nothing major. Just fine print stuff. Actually, there is nothing a quick Wikipedia search or even Just Watching the FMVs in youtube can't tell ya. But overall, i can see what you're saying

Then you have her clothes coming off, which happens far too completely to be realistic. I mean there were some energy blasts, fires, etc, that one could use to kinda sorta justify this (even with her body being relatively uninjured), but unless every enemy she fights fires mitochondrial energy or whatever from every limb it doesn't come close to excusing it. And even if they DID there's no reason for all her clothes to fall away like that. Singed holes, blacked tears, etc. could all work. THIS doesn't.

I can actually make your case stronger for you, but this is from a "haven't played yet" perspective.

If, in the game Aya takes control over the mind of characters around her, and we see Aya just to give the player a "visual anchor" to connect to the main character, then, it just doesn't justify the cloth Damage, because it's not Aya's Clothing that is being ripped apart.

If she is not not mind controlling, but actually Metaphorming into anybody she chooses, then after Each dive she should repair her clothing, just like her HP Heals up when she changes bodies.

So, Squeenix Argument is undermined by their own Game Mechanics.

There's just a lot here, from gameplay, to cinematics, to the way they talk about writing the character that says, "we were tired of having a strong female protagonist, and figured Slutty McMissVulnerable would sell better." It's really indefensible.

Bayonetta was predictable, Other M was an Oddball, 3rd Birthday is a curious case, if one more game like this comes out ill say we have a Syndrome...

[Magus]

Didn't Parasite Eve 2 have an Aya Brea shower scene that was also pointless fanservice and didn't eveybody have a conniption fit then too? Talk about a worn out topic of contention.

The fanservice is pointless, game will probably have okay gameplay, can we move on to more important topics--like just exactly how much are we going to see and is there a vibration mode and/or auto-cleaning controller for various, er, fluid spills in the works?

EDIT: Full disclosure--I never finished the first Parasite Eve game because that goddamn cerberus was too goddamn hard to beat goddamnit.

[Bells]

Ok... now i think i should post these so often mentioned scene...

I really don't see anything wrong at all with it though, honestly...

PE2 Shower Scene (in context - as in, it shows the before and after shower scenes too)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFnvmi9Pq2o

And here it is, an actual comparison shop between the PE2 Shower scene and the PE3 Shower scene for some goddamn reason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjVYNrJB14I

EDIT: The Ending is already on Youtube, with subtitles. If you have ANY hope to this game, don't watch it. Don't spoil yourself... It's actually a good, decent ending that explain a few of the things we've been talking about here... it's not wonderfull, but i'll tell you this.. Aya is Aya.

EDIT 2: Although to be honest, it's a 20 min ending with some ... weird twists. Worth beating the game for it, i would say.