"Would You Murder Someone Who Molested Your Kid?" or "Should This Father Be Jailed?"

[RobinStarwing]

Originally Posted by Amake

The definition of murder is wrongful killing so no, that's probably not something you should do. In the heat of the moment, yes, it would certainly be understandable. But if you're going to kill someone on purpose, with forethought, you need to be sure that a) there's no other way to deal with your problem and b) that their death is worth more than their life to everyone involved. It quickly becomes apparent that you can't possibly know if killing someone is the right thing to do. And let's face it, even if it was possible to know these things you're probably biased on account of your personal involvement and couldn't possibly be more the wrong person to make that decision.

Sure there's a certain risk calculation to be made to determine the point at which killing a child molester to keep them from molesting children is the most reasonable course of action, but that would be proactive social engineering, and we're talking about reactive revenge, and we shouldn't confuse those two things because revenge is a bad idea that never works.

Why not have it be both Social Engineering and Reactive Revenge? You are removing a dangerous element from society not just because it hurt you but also because it could hurt others besides you in the same way.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

If I caught them in the moment, yes I would.

If I found out about it after the fact, I would think dearly about it, and probably plan it, but you know, I would probably lose my entire life (my job, access to my kids I'm avenging) if I botched the assassination, and that wouldn't make it worth it. So probably no.

This, and I'd also have to consider due process. What if I go off on a half-cocked rumor and kill someone who ultimately wasn't at fault?

[Loyal]

Originally Posted by RobinStarwing

Why not have it be both Social Engineering and Reactive Revenge? You are removing a dangerous element from society not just because it hurt you but also because it could hurt others besides you in the same way.

"Could" sounds like a dangerous word here.

[Magus]

Originally Posted by Shyria Dracnoir

This, and I'd also have to consider due process. What if I go off on a half-cocked rumor and kill someone who ultimately wasn't at fault?

I always have a good lol at this episode of Alfred Hitchcock presents:



Skip to 19:19 for the beginning of the lolz.

[Amake]

Originally Posted by Loyal

"Could" sounds like a dangerous word here.

"Because it hurt you" is the real danger, however. You may think you can do both things at the same time, but more likely you're going to use social engineering as an excuse to justify taking revenge, because you're not thinking clearly. And do you know how you can tell you're not thinking clearly? Because you want revenge.

[Seil]

Here is a news report on the story that's not a Youtube:

A Texas father walked in on his five-year-old daughter being molested and wasted no time in beating the man to death. The grand jury found the dad not guilty due to a state law that allows deadly force to be used to stop an aggravated sexual assault.

The incident occurred June 9th near Shiner, Texas. Someone spotted a farmhand, Jesus Flores carrying the girl into a secluded area and alerted the girl’s father. The concerned parent ran towards his daughters screams and found them both with their underwear off. He flew into a rage and beat Flores into unconsciousness. When he was sure the man was no longer a threat, he called 911 to report on the incident. ”Come on! This guy is going to die on me! I don’t know what to do.” he yelled.

The event was treated as a homicide but the father did not go to jail and will not be charged with a crime.

[Magus]

Well jeez Seil that was hardly premeditated. Straight-up manslaughter. Not surprised he's not getting convicted of anything given the circumstances besides.

[Amake]

Yeah, now we just have to wonder if this "stand your pants" law that permits killing rapists on the spot is something to embrace. Not that I'd like to resist the opportunity myself, but I would expect to be punished for it.

[Magus]

Probably as long as no one is shot on the basis that they look like they might be going to rape someone.

[Shyria Dracnoir]

Originally Posted by Magus

Probably as long as no one is shot on the basis that they look like they might be going to rape someone.

So a week then.