My Little Pony: Friendship is Mafia

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Yeah, maybe we could all like, yano, wait for Fenris to get back on and decide first? Maybe a stiff warning and a removal of those peoples ability to take part in lynching/killing for a night would be sufficient?

Not saying it was right to be talking outside of the thread (it wasn't) but the conversation was posted so there's no harm done, and we'd really much prefer not to lose a bunch of people who could be townies all in 1 go.

[rpgdemon]

Yeah, being so gung ho to have a big swathe of people killed is sort of against town interest. Unless they're scum.

It also seems like it could be gamed to the point where it's like, "LOOK, IN CHAT, I TALKED TO THIS DUDE, HE RESPONDED. BAM, KILL HIM.", at which point all hell breaks loose.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by rpgdemon

Yeah, being so gung ho to have a big swathe of people killed is sort of against town interest. Unless they're scum.

It also seems like it could be gamed to the point where it's like, "LOOK, IN CHAT, I TALKED TO THIS DUDE, HE RESPONDED. BAM, KILL HIM.", at which point all hell breaks loose.

Note before this gets out of hand: I'm not the one who mentioned Modkilling as the solution.
My post merely expressed frustration. From there it sort of spiraled.
I am still frustrated about it, but it's worth noting that I did NOT Modkill anyone when a similar event happened in my game and I was Moderator, so it's not the solution I would advocate.

EDIT: Sifright, this isn't something you should leave over. If Fenris Modkills you, that's one thing, but I don't think you should quit. Making you quit was not the intention of my outburst.

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Note before this gets out of hand: I'm not the one who mentioned Modkilling as the solution.
My post merely expressed frustration. From there it sort of spiraled.
I am still frustrated about it, but it's worth noting that I did NOT Modkill anyone when a similar event happened in my game and I was Moderator, so it's not the solution I would advocate.

Didn't mean to accidentally implicate you, my post was mainly directed at Nik who seems gung ho about it.

I'd think no mod kill is in order here, since it was hardly any information. The leak of roles is unfortunate, and if they can be shuffled to handle it unobtrusively, that would be neat, but I can see it being a huge headache, especially if the role that Silfright knows is an active one, and not just a vanilla townie.

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Gah, we aren't allowed to talk in chat, which I why I posted the whole thing publicly.

Yeah but, like, how do we know the "whole thing" has been posted publicly?
What's to stop people from chatting in the chatroom and then editing the record, or simply refusing to disclose all the information that's actually discussed there?

If people are doing it in the chatroom, how am I supposed to feel confident that people aren't doing it anywhere else, over PM, or anything like that?

All of this is completely ancillary to my frustration with the whole "Good Lord, nearly every time I either happen to chance upon the chat room and/or read a chat log on NPF I'm being insulted behind my back, if people on NPF have issues with me why can't they be honest with me about it instead of basically turning into a toxic High School gossip mill?" That's pretty frustrating too, albeit for different reasons.

But complaining aside
Feeling like throwing suspicion on RPGDemon right now, there's something about him that feels quite 'off' compared to his early Day performance in recent games.
Unfortunately the difficulty here is that it's very easy for me to be irrationally hard on those who were actually involved in Homestuck Mafia, because I'm quite familiar with that game and much less familiar with the playstyles of those who didn't play there.

Also: It is still suspicious that Bob has been around and yet is not active here. He's not one to idle and forget a commitment.

[rpgdemon]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

Feeling like throwing suspicion on RPGDemon right now, there's something about him that feels quite 'off' compared to his early Day performance in recent games.
Unfortunately the difficulty here is that it's very easy for me to be irrationally hard on those who were actually involved in Homestuck Mafia, because I'm quite familiar with that game and much less familiar with the playstyles of those who didn't play there.

Well, I've only played that one game, and learned from it. There is literally no other recent game though. My Day 1 there was, "Well, we shouldn't kill anyone should we? We don't know anything". Not exactly something I'd like to repeat.

[rpgdemon]

As a heads up: Editting is also disallowed, for similar reasons I assume. Or at least it was in Snake's game.

"Oh, I'll edit my post soon as X sees it. Plotting!"

It's silly, in terms of a change like you made, but it's worth mentioning. That's why I end up double posting a bunch.

[Sifright]

bit late for that the only thing i haven't done is reveal my flavour text.

[Geminex]

Yeah but, like, how do we know the "whole thing" has been posted publicly?
What's to stop people from chatting in the chatroom and then editing the record, or simply refusing to disclose all the information that's actually discussed there?

If people are doing it in the chatroom, how am I supposed to feel confident that people aren't doing it anywhere else, over PM, or anything like that?

Okay, in regards to this? I honestly think we're all pretty good players here. That stuff's against the rules for a reason (spoils the game), and I'd be surprised if anyone was doing it with malicious intent. I responded to Sif without thinking, and I'm guessing Sif forgot? Neither of us intentionally broke the rules, and I don't think any player here is going to. Like, if the fact that two newbies forgot and broke the rule and then immediately confessed and made the conversation public is enough to break your trust in people's honesty, then you can't have had much trust in their honesty in the first place, y'know? Don't let this get to you. I won't do it again, I don't think anyone here will, and if they do and they get found out, they're dead. Hell, if Fenris wants to kill me and Sif now that'd probably be justified since we did go against the letter of the law, but we really didn't mean any harm.

All of this is completely ancillary to my frustration with the whole "Good Lord, nearly every time I either happen to chance upon the chat room and/or read a chat log on NPF I'm being insulted behind my back, if people on NPF have issues with me why can't they be honest with me about it instead of basically turning into a toxic High School gossip mill?" That's pretty frustrating too, albeit for different reasons.

I really think you're perceiving that as worse than it is. Uhm. You can certainly be a noteworthy person at times (which is, I guess, why people talk about you sometimes?), but I don't think people actually dislike you. You seem intelligent, you put thought into your arguments, and on the whole, you seem pretty allright. In the interest of honesty, I was kinda annoyed by that exchange between you and Token, that ended with him requesting a month-long-ban, but he seems cool with it, so I am too.

Anyway, uhm. I think it might be a good idea to let this rest until Fenris has had a look at the situation?

And Sif, you could always edit that post where you reveal your role.
Alternately, you could pretend it was a cunning ruse to mislead someone. Or maybe it was. We don't know.

Edit:
Also, is mafia always like this?

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Okay, in regards to this? I honestly think we're all pretty good players here. That stuff's against the rules for a reason (spoils the game), and I'd be surprised if anyone was doing it with malicious intent.

I think I was more gung-ho about this (still angry, but less so) when it happened in Homestuck Mafia because then I assumed it was like a one-time mistake, but this is no longer the first time I've seen this happen and threaten the integrity of the game, and although the nature of the chat conversation actually is less substantive than in Homestuck it's really the quantity of the offense / the fact that people haven't learned from their mistakes that frustrated me.

Admittingly, the unnecessarily cuss-laden nature of my response (which I will not edit out in the interests of openness) was probably as much if not more sparked by the "out of nowhere Snake comments" shit, and I probably would have been more civil in expressing my thoughts on the matter if I wasn't consumed with "Why the fuck did I come back to NPF just to play a Mafia game in which the same activity that led me to leave NPF was still occuring?" rage. But that's an unrelated issue.

In the interest of honesty, I was kinda annoyed by that exchange between you and Token, that ended with him requesting a month-long-ban, but he seems cool with it, so I am too.

I think we both went well over the line there, yeah. No disagreements there.
Honestly I was shocked I wasn't three-day or one-week banned particularly when Token was banned too (albeit, I suppose, Token requested it.)
A month seems a bit long, though.