Batman Mafia - Page 24

Gregness · 01-10-2012, 05:51 PM

Okay, time to see what's what.

Vote: "Half Assed" Karesh

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 01-10-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Geminex

But as it is, he claimed a role that was directly connected to Nikose' claim. He said it mentioned the Penguin by name and warned of backstabbing, which fit in great with what Nik said. Unfortunately, Nik's claim is, as far as we know, not true.

Given that I am p. sure that the penguin doesn't even exist in this game (guessing scum have a safelist?), I don't see how Karesh's claim can be construed as anything but scum!

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Originally Posted by Inbred Chocobo

Random food for thought, what if Nikose knew about the Penguin role, but he wasn't it, and claimed it to hide his true role.

Course that would require to prove with Karesh not dying by the actual Penguin claiming. If that happens, the Karesh is in the clear and we will need to unvote him and vote for Nikose.

Pretty much what IC said. I haven't been informed of who the Penguin is, only how his role and mine are related. I don't see how the fuck else Nikose could find out about it, since either he is the role and wanted me to confirm him, or he isn't and was a scum using it to save himself. (And the latter would be kiiind of freaking impossible to puzzle out since either the role doesn't exist and I've been lied to or it does and Nikose discovered not only that the Penguin was the name but the entirety of the role itself) But since Mr. Freeze, who is flavor text confirmed to be an ally of the Arkham escapees is interested in keeping him alive, I'm actually more suspicious of Gem at this point.

It's kind of meaningless since there's been this overwhelming consensus but I guess the only thing I can do is to
Vote: Geminex
And hope that after I'm gone the eyes of scrutiny will turn toward him with vengeance.

Karrrrrrrrrrrresche · 01-10-2012, 06:30 PM

Also I'm sorry to say but yeah if I am scum in a game I can't hold true to my standards of honesty. If it helps even as I am scum I try to approach each situation with the same analytic standards, so I can be counted on against other scum factions, just not my own.

Bard The 5th LW · 01-10-2012, 06:44 PM

Vote: Karesh

Don't have much else to go on, thanks Freeze.

Oron · 01-10-2012, 06:47 PM

Except I'm still hung up on this part:

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Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

Alternatively, your power is incorrect and pointing you in the wrong direction, as Nigma ends up futzing things up at the end of the Hush storyline; He was chasing the wrong person the entire time, with a false lead. Your flavor indicates you'd be wrong. Lynching me would kill Karesh, who could just be trying to help me as a neutral party; Lynching you would confirm you're 'town' and possibly deluded.

I just want more time to consider the possibility of this. Lynching Karesh would prove, what? If he's Killer Croc, then we learn that Nikose is also Arkham Asylum-aligned, and then we might just learn that Gem is an inaccurate Nigma. Yeah, the power sucks, but would it make sense in the comic world for him to mess up like that? Would Moogle use that characterization, if he's such a comic buff?

Considering that possibility, we might waste two days lynching Arkham villains. Of course, it might just be as we suspect, per Geminex's claim. I'm just saying that I don't like this quick vote train. We need to take a little time to work this out, especially given Mr. Freeze's interruption. Let's not let the events of the day hasten our own actions too much. We've got time.

Also, I'm not saying that Karesh is honest on Bob the Merc levels. It's just that this works out so nicely as is, if his claim is true. I'm saying this because I wonder if Nikose is indeed Robin. Maybe he's got investigative powers and he can learn somebody's role? Maybe he just so happened to scan The Penguin last night?

I'm not completely against our course of action, I just think there may yet be better things to do for this day. And hey, if we get nothing, lynch Karesh, and he turns out to be scum or something, hey, cool. Egg on my face, but we learn something other than "yep, he's Killer Croc, alright."
I have these kinds of questions and considerations, so I just want us to slow down a step. There's still people who haven't posted yet, like Ravashak and Nique.

Oron · 01-10-2012, 06:50 PM

Why have I been saying Killer Croc? I totally meant "Karesh as Clay Face". I got him mixed up with IC's role claim. My apologies.

Inbred Chocobo · 01-10-2012, 06:56 PM

Okay, so these are the possibilities.

1.) Nikose and Karesh are scum and Gem spotted them.
2.) Gem is scum and Nikose and Karesh are not.
3.) Nikose either has an investigation role, or knows more about roles than ever let on, and knew about the penguin and decided to roleclaim that one as defense, which Gem called him out on, and Karesh is innocent.
4.) Nikose, Karesh, and Gem are innocent, and Gem's one shot-investigation role is busted (doubtful honestly, but there)
5.) ???
6.) Profit

If we Lynch Karesh, that elimnates all but possibility 3. If we lynch Gem, well there is a chance that on death, his one shot role is revealed but not defined as scum. If we lynch Nikose, then all possibilities are answered.

Unvote: Karesh

I sort of want to wait till the next day and then just lynch Nikose then, and pursue other opportunities now, as even if we lynch Karesh, there is still doubt in the air, and if we lynch Gem, then there is still doubt, but if we lynch Nikose, there isn't doubt at all.

Inbred Chocobo · 01-10-2012, 06:58 PM

Wait, that was bad. If we lynch Nikose, then number 4 is still in doubt. Still though, I prefer to go after Nikose still, as I have serious doubt about number 4. I mean, the other option would be someone has the ability to corrupt an action, but I'm not 100% certain.

Bard The 5th LW · 01-10-2012, 07:02 PM

Isn't Tim Drake some sort of ace detective? Maybe Nik started out with some given info that let him roleclaim penguin.

Inbred Chocobo · 01-10-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bard The 5th LW

Isn't Tim Drake some sort of ace detective? Maybe Nik started out with some given info that let him roleclaim penguin.

That, right there. See, we are in a game where the mafia is Batman and Co. I mean, flavor wise Batman has always been a detective and doing investigative kinds of thing. Heck, he probably has a database of people to refer to. Him having a list of roles, or maybe even a list of non-existant roles, isn't actually that far-fetched as it would first seem.

So I mean Nikose knowing to claim that role doesn't actually sound that bad anymore, and I would hate to lynch Karesh, have him turn up town, mafia wins, and then Nikose be scum.

Then that would explain both why Karesh and Gem don't have a clue, but if that is the case, then who to go after, hmmmmmmm.

01-10-2012, 05:51 PM	#231
Gregness Never give up. Never give in. Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,034	Okay, time to see what's what. Vote: "Half Assed" Karesh __________________ A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - Robert Heinlein

01-10-2012, 06:50 PM	#236
Oron Curious Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 208	Why have I been saying Killer Croc? I totally meant "Karesh as Clay Face". I got him mixed up with IC's role claim. My apologies. __________________ Sneaking around the forums to read your posts.

01-10-2012, 06:44 PM	#234
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Vote: Karesh Don't have much else to go on, thanks Freeze.

01-10-2012, 06:56 PM	#237
Inbred Chocobo Bitches love the crown Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In my happy place! Posts: 3,264	Okay, so these are the possibilities. 1.) Nikose and Karesh are scum and Gem spotted them. 2.) Gem is scum and Nikose and Karesh are not. 3.) Nikose either has an investigation role, or knows more about roles than ever let on, and knew about the penguin and decided to roleclaim that one as defense, which Gem called him out on, and Karesh is innocent. 4.) Nikose, Karesh, and Gem are innocent, and Gem's one shot-investigation role is busted (doubtful honestly, but there) 5.) ??? 6.) Profit If we Lynch Karesh, that elimnates all but possibility 3. If we lynch Gem, well there is a chance that on death, his one shot role is revealed but not defined as scum. If we lynch Nikose, then all possibilities are answered. Unvote: Karesh I sort of want to wait till the next day and then just lynch Nikose then, and pursue other opportunities now, as even if we lynch Karesh, there is still doubt in the air, and if we lynch Gem, then there is still doubt, but if we lynch Nikose, there isn't doubt at all.

01-10-2012, 06:58 PM	#238
Inbred Chocobo Bitches love the crown Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In my happy place! Posts: 3,264	Wait, that was bad. If we lynch Nikose, then number 4 is still in doubt. Still though, I prefer to go after Nikose still, as I have serious doubt about number 4. I mean, the other option would be someone has the ability to corrupt an action, but I'm not 100% certain.

01-10-2012, 07:02 PM	#239
Bard The 5th LW Feelin' Super! Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 4,191	Isn't Tim Drake some sort of ace detective? Maybe Nik started out with some given info that let him roleclaim penguin.