Dissidia Duodecim Final Fantasy continues Squeenix's tradition of stupid titles

[Inbred Chocobo]

Originally Posted by Mac

Goddammt I want Sabin...

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

...include Celes in this one. Every time I think about it, I think of... Terra... and how awesome it was.

Originally Posted by NonCon

I want FFXII's Cid

Originally Posted by Mac

I wouldn't mind Seeing General Leo and General Beatrix in...

Originally Posted by Regulus Tera

...far more important characters

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

...it's probably going to be Vincent...I see him going in first...then probably Barret or Tifa...I'd also love to have the chance to make Aerith...make it in...Zidane...

Originally Posted by BitVyper

I'd prefer Tellah...to fill...Strago...

Originally Posted by Roland

Oh gods...Making Kain Highwind...is like...Shadow the Hedgehog...in...Celes

Originally Posted by Nique

...I want...

Originally Posted by McTahr

...Jecht...squishies...one evil, one good...are they going to pull out?...Warmech?!

Originally Posted by mudah.swf

...I'm also hoping for some...

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

...Fighter...in...Red Mage...pimpingness...Bikke...go down too easily to...

Originally Posted by DarkDrgon

...Cid...

Originally Posted by krogothwolf

...Ramza...Delita...

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

...Noctis and Stell...

Originally Posted by Mac

...and Ultima...

Originally Posted by NonCon

I'm guessing we'll probably end up with a Kingdom Hearts character or two...

Originally Posted by Regulus Tera

...I doubt they'll put...

Originally Posted by POS Industries

...out...but even there I have to imagine that being...married to...Seifer, Yuna, Vaan, and Prishe...likely to get in...

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

...I think Rinoa might be a much more interesting and workable...

Originally Posted by Nique

...Hurry up and start workin' for...an even greater douche...say, Irvine.

Originally Posted by Smarty McBarrelpants

I would say yes...but...

Originally Posted by Nique

...the main love interest is...11...people...

Originally Posted by NonCon

...Seifer and crew...

To be continued....

[Inbred Chocobo]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

...Terra has...Vivi...and...is...watching it make sexy poses in the mirror and call itself a stud...since 2006...

Originally Posted by mudah.swf

None of the shotoclones...

Originally Posted by Nique

...lacked the kind of...service that only...female characters...could provide...would have been...awesome...to play with...

Originally Posted by Mac

...goddamn mexican...

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

...Lightning obviously has her...stuff intact...so they'll likely do something...

Originally Posted by krylo

I...want to get involved in this...service...Personally I'm hoping for Mayor Dobe...

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

I...demand...

Originally Posted by krylo

...either Seifer, or Rinoa, or Zell, or Quistis, or Irving, or Laguna, or Ward, or Kir...' well you get the point.

Originally Posted by NonCon

...porn...

Originally Posted by krylo

...of...Mayor Dobe...

Originally Posted by NonCon

...going to make it...I want...

Originally Posted by Mac

...Laguna because of his Machine Gun...

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

...Quistis...her whip...

Originally Posted by POS Industries

...really stands a chance of putting Vincent...on...a...popular pair of tits

Originally Posted by Noncon

...pedophile...

Originally Posted by POS Industries

...13...Nomura...loves him some...

Originally Posted by POS Industries

...I...see them removing...a lot...

Yeah, thats as far as I read into NPF's perverted talk of Dissidia. Gawd, you guys really need to get your minds out of the gutter.

[bluestarultor]

Looks like the assist bars fill up either from doing damage or possibly from EX orbs. It's hard to tell.

They do fill up faster than I expected. Mudah might be right about combo-breaking being too easy.

I need to find a vid that actually shows an assist. The first one RT posted might have it in there, but for some reason it doesn't load worth beans for me.

[mudah.swf]

It may well be. In other games with assists systems like Dissidia, using them to break combos has just been a matter of pressing a button, there's absolutely zero difficulty or timing involved, it's purely been a get-out-of-jail card. It was at its most egregrious in Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm, in which you not only had assists to break combos, you also had a teleport that you could mash out for a bit of meter, meaning you were very rarely without at least one combo-breaker. As a result, nobody (including me) wanted to attack another player (in this case, my friend) head-on because I would get blown up and comboed myself because I actually made an offense, so the game boiled down to both of us pinging ineffectual kunai at each other, resulting in zero fun despite how good the game looked. It didn't matter that all the combo breakers cost some form of meter to do, the fact that attacking the opponent was taking a massive risk was bad enough.

This is what Dissidia 2 is probably going to end up as, unless Square are really slick with the whole system.

[Donomni]

God I hope Cloud's KH costume is just that.

I can tolerate KH more than most people, but let's keep this game with just Final Fantasy people, mmm'kay?

Also, yay Tifa! Boo to people from spinoffs and not the actual game. I mean, isn't Genesis that Gackt look-alike?

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by bluestarultor

They do fill up faster than I expected. Mudah might be right about combo-breaking being too easy.

Maybe, maybe not. Supposedly you do have to be quite careful about your timing with assists because, if you do it wrong, both you and your partner could just end up getting their shit wrecked (a la vs. Capcom).

Basically, just because it says something can break combos doesn't mean it's going to be easy for them them to do so.

I need to find a vid that actually shows an assist. The first one RT posted might have it in there, but for some reason it doesn't load worth beans for me.

Unfortunately, the first video RT linked shows nothing really new. Just a basic WoL vs Squall match.

Originally Posted by Donomni

Also, yay Tifa! Boo to people from spinoffs and not the actual game. I mean, isn't Genesis that Gackt look-alike?

I've not been able to confirm RT's post for anything besides Tifa, and she's universally referred to as "the third newest Dissidia Duodecim character" after Kain and Lightning. It does not appear to be true.

[mudah.swf]

Originally Posted by POS Industries

Maybe, maybe not. Supposedly you do have to be quite careful about your timing with assists because, if you do it wrong, both you and your partner could just end up getting their shit wrecked (a la vs. Capcom).

Basically, just because it says something can break combos doesn't mean it's going to be easy for them them to do so.

It was that way in the later Marvel games because assists were also your playable characters and thus had their own health bars, and couldn't defend themselves. Dissidia 2 hasn't given assists their own health bars as far as we know, so they may be hittable but that's not going to stop you from just using them again as soon as you get the required meter to do so. There's no real risk because you'll always get that meter back, as far as we know your character doesn't strike a pose upon using an assist and you can use them while being hit, making it an almost risk-free action because you have nothing important to lose by using an assist since you'll always get it back.

This is, of course, theory fighting. But combo-breaking is a really god damn powerful ability and so far only one developer has really got it right, and somehow I don't trust Square to get it right.

[Nique]

Wow you guys just sort of blew right past Inbred Chocobo's highly erotic summary there. I couldn't avert my eyes...

[mudah.swf]

I'm too busy yelling at people ITT.

[POS Industries]

Originally Posted by mudah.swf

Dissidia 2 hasn't given assists their own health bars as far as we know, so they may be hittable but that's not going to stop you from just using them again as soon as you get the required meter to do so. There's no real risk because you'll always get that meter back, as far as we know your character doesn't strike a pose upon using an assist and you can use them while being hit, making it an almost risk-free action because you have nothing important to lose by using an assist since you'll always get it back.

Then again, there might be more risk than you think. A screenshot on this page shows the assists in action, with Terra and Kefka fighting Cloud and Sephiroth. The FF6 team is getting hammered by the FF7 team, and if you'll notice it looks like Terra's assist bar is locked out. This could mean anything, but at the moment it seems to suggest that maybe there are some longterm repercussions of failing with your assists.