When a webcomic updates but you don't want to make a huge deal out of it, what you do

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by tacticslion

I think, however, this is supposed to be showing the beginning of the divergence between "super-science" and "magic" that the court exemplifies.

Pretty sure it's setting up the opposite. It's been pretty obvious for awhile now that the court is built pretty heavily on 'Etheric Sciences' at least in its early years, and that there used to be a unison between normal sciences and them, particularly with Diego and the birds. Further, Kat's refusal to believe that magic is just 'magic' and not something that can be explained and understood was foreshadowing for exactly what we're seeing here--her looking at an obviously magical design and trying to unravel and replicate it.

And Annie and Kat themselves represent the unification of 'magic' and 'science' with Kat being very technical minded and Annie being much more in tune with the magical forces of the forest, and yet the two of them being best friends. Edit: And the fact that they both had one 'magic' and one 'technical' parent, making them each living embodiments of the convergence they further represent by their attitudes and friendship.

There's lots more that foreshadows the unification between magic and technology over the story buuuuuuut I don't wanna type a novel.

I'm not you.

[Loyal]

Re: Captain SNES: Pretty sure we know full well what happens next.

[TDK]

Originally Posted by tacticslion

Stuff about the finger horror

It also only has 28 hit points and an AC of 12. And its huge, meaning everyone can easily attack it at once and it gets the SHIT flanked out of it.

Let us take a level seven fighter with a +1 flaming greatsword.


Probably +13/+8 at least. Average roll, ten, hits on both attacks. 3d6+5 or more. Twice. Average damage per hit: 14. So 28 damage. Its dead.

That's not even counting power attack or any other feats.

Whelp. :I

[BitVyper]

I'm going to build Motherbrain. Gonna invent and perfect bio-computer engineering and bring AI science up to the level where we can create sapient computers, then build a brain with a face inside a jar, give it the mind of Captain N/SNES' Motherbrain, and make sure she is fully self aware. Then I am going to kill her with an axe.

Because fuck her. Right in her medula.

[Loyal]

Originally Posted by TDK

It also only has 28 hit points and an AC of 12. And its huge, meaning everyone can easily attack it at once and it gets the SHIT flanked out of it.

Let us take a level seven fighter with a +1 flaming greatsword.


Probably +13/+8 at least. Average roll, ten, hits on both attacks. 3d6+5 or more. Twice. Average damage per hit: 14. So 28 damage. Its dead.

That's not even counting power attack or any other feats.

Whelp. :I

Thunt's notes (e: Which appear to have been excised from the Goblins forum for some reason) agreed that it was the sort of thing that you'd either breeze right through or get TPK'd by. A juxtaposition of extremes. A nightmare.

Anyway, new Erfworld. Jeftichew is interesting, but he's no Jack Snipe. Yet.

[TDK]

"Lord of Hamsters" is the best title ever.

[Fifthfiend]

Originally Posted by BitVyper

I'm going to build Motherbrain. Gonna invent and perfect bio-computer engineering and bring AI science up to the level where we can create sapient computers, then build a brain with a face inside a jar, give it the mind of Captain N/SNES' Motherbrain, and make sure she is fully self aware. Then I am going to kill her with an axe.

Because fuck her. Right in her medula.

Well jesus christ okay NOW I have to go and read it

I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY

SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR UPDATES, ASSHOLE

[BitVyper]

Originally Posted by Fifthfiend

Well jesus christ okay NOW I have to go and read it

I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY

SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR UPDATES, ASSHOLE

Part of me wants to pull a Caramon, and sacrifice my eternity to bar your path that the new age of updates may never end. The larger part of me doesn't give a shit because it is still too busy fantasizing about brutally murdering Motherbrain.

[Loyal]

So hey. Nale's back onscreen. First blood: Elan!

[tacticslion]

Woah, you dissappear for a couple of days with no reasonable explanation whatsoever, and people get all snippity!

Originally Posted by Krylo

... shadows the unification between magic and technology over the story buuuuuuut I don't wanna type a novel.

I'm not you.

Ouch! That'd hurt if it wasn't so true... so instead rep for Krylo!
EDIT: EXCEPT THAT I CAN'T BECAUSE APPARENTLY I'VE REPPED HIM TOO RECENTLY, BOTHER IT ALL KRYLO, STOP BEING AWESOME.

Originally Posted by Krylo

Pretty sure it's setting up the opposite. It's been pretty obvious for awhile now that the court is built pretty heavily on 'Etheric Sciences' at least in its early years, and that there used to be a unison between normal sciences and them, particularly with Diego and the birds. Further, Kat's refusal to believe that magic is just 'magic' and not something that can be explained and understood was foreshadowing for exactly what we're seeing here--her looking at an obviously magical design and trying to unravel and replicate it.

And Annie and Kat themselves represent the unification of 'magic' and 'science' with Kat being very technical minded and Annie being much more in tune with the magical forces of the forest, and yet the two of them being best friends. Edit: And the fact that they both had one 'magic' and one 'technical' parent, making them each living embodiments of the convergence they further represent by their attitudes and friendship.

There's lots more that foreshadows the unification between magic and technology over the story buuuuuuut I don't wanna type a novel.

I'm not you.

Okay, okay, so my point is thoroughly and COMPLETELY disputed, but that's at least partially because I misspoke. What I meant was, I think that as Kat progresses further in super-science (aka 'etheric' or "magic" science) it will be very, very different from the forces that Annie delves into. What I was really trying to get across is their divergence due to specialization, NOT their emotional or even personal divergence. I do think that, over all, their 'job' in this series will be to re-unify the court with the forest, but the concept of the Court's inability to reconcile that which can't be correctly annotated and proscribed (shown by Kat's genuine inability to deal with/use more straightforwardly "magic" stuff) as opposed to the forest's rejection of all which is codified (Annie's complete "technical" inability) is what's being shown here. "Fairy tales" and Kat's rejection of "golem-craft" is what I was referring to: the Court, as a body, doesn't accept the idea that Magic is undefinable "other", but is instead a kind of science-beyond-what-we-know, despite the fact that we've seen Coyote make the moon small and Anne leave her fingerprint on it... something that is, in physics, completely impossible (mass/size alterations are a fundamental barrier in the way reality works, last I checked*), and so has ignored any linguistic evolution to comply with the truth of things - in other word's they've all been so busy looking for the 'truth' of things, they've ignored a lot of truth (but then again, so has the forest). ALSO, considering Kat is now reading things that humans can't read the line is substantially more blurred between magic and science.

Originally Posted by TDK

It also only has 28 hit points and an AC of 12. And its huge, meaning everyone can easily attack it at once and it gets the SHIT flanked out of it.

Let us take a level seven fighter with a +1 flaming greatsword.


Probably +13/+8 at least. Average roll, ten, hits on both attacks. 3d6+5 or more. Twice. Average damage per hit: 14. So 28 damage. Its dead.

That's not even counting power attack or any other feats.

Whelp. :I

First: a brief perusal of the forums indicates that Thunt did, in fact, lower the DC from 29 to 19, so I was right the first time. Booyah!

Also... why the +13/+8? A seventh level fighter gets a +7/+2 from base attack bonus, a +1 to each from the +1 weapon, and a decently high strength (16-18) would grant between a +3 and a +4 for a total of +11/+6 or +12/+7. The strength-and-a-half bonus doesn't apply because a Great Sword is already a two-handed weapon. I might be missing something but a normal fighter wouldn't have a STR of 20 at that point. A really exceptional fighter would, but not a normal one. So with an average attack of 21 or 22 it might still hit the AC... Gah! I've been compromised! It has been removed, even from the archives! Sabotage! Sabotage, I say! I can't participate in a needlessly nerdy duel of words with facts and datum... aaaahhhhh...!

That said, you made several good points. Mostly, I was shocked and dismayed at the very, VERY high DC. If I recall, the initiative was pretty low, meaning a good chance to off the thing before it attacks. The AC should get hit fairly often. That said, the best way to use this monster - what it was built for - isn't an all-out assault on land, but rather a subtle (nightmarish) creeping thing that surprises and drags the would-be heroes into water-filled deaths. Monks would be useless against it, and mages wouldn't stand a chance IF it touched them. With nightmare-inspired hit-and-run tactics, it would get a pretty good chance to, since being underwater makes you nearly invulnerable to those on top of it. Still, I was glad to have stats up, and enjoyed going over them... too bad they're apparently taken down JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE ME! Noooooooooooo...! I've ruined EVERYTHING...! *sad face*

And the carnymancer, Jeftichew... uh, hm. Odd. I'm wondering where this is going. Especially since Parson was - personally - interested in creating a side with no-war-needed. Which will win? His quest for individuality or his desire to avoid war when possible?

And Elan just got so much cooler.

*I could be wrong by now! ... but I doubt it. Teleportation is far more likely AND cooler, anyway.