Batman Mafia

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Ninja'd a bit there. For the unvote rationale, I thought I was clear, I'm just not sure any more. There was some mention of Nik perhaps knowing about some of the roles Moogle might have come up with for the game somewhere I think? It was enough to make me think that maybe Karesh might actually be town and Nik knew something about his role already, enough to make his Penguin claim. I dunno, maybe I misread something.

To be honest I still haven't caught up on the whole thread yet and I'm not paying it as much attention as I should since I came back. I need to make myself sit down and read the whole thing again before before I can really do anything, and the Karesh vote wasn't thought through, seeing as I just jumped to him right after Nik got frozen.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

And still being ninja'd.

Ok, so somebody made an offhand remark about RO being SK and asked him to defend it, and he didn't just come out and straight away say "Because I'm not", and that's your whole suspiscion? Is that right? Really?

For what it's worth, no, I'm not the SK. But I would say that anyway, as would any player when asked about any role that's not town. But, I mean, that's just my word that you'll have to take there I suppose, not much else I can say really is there?

I can't speak for why RO left or for whatever his reply was, because I'm not him. So... yeah, anything else?

[Mr.Bookworm]

I'm starting to think Hawk has me on ignore. Why you gotta be like that, Hawk?

[BahamutFlare]

Originally Posted by Hawk

And still being ninja'd.

Ok, so somebody made an offhand remark about RO being SK and asked him to defend it, and he didn't just come out and straight away say "Because I'm not", and that's your whole suspiscion? Is that right? Really?

For what it's worth, no, I'm not the SK. But I would say that anyway, as would any player when asked about any role that's not town. But, I mean, that's just my word that you'll have to take there I suppose, not much else I can say really is there?

I can't speak for why RO left or for whatever his reply was, because I'm not him. So... yeah, anything else?

It was that he didn't and he was in a bad state of mind. Bad state of mind = poor wording and choices. Lying is more difficult. It's more of a psychological reason rather than a rational one. I'll grant you that. And it's impossible to prove or disprove that. However, it makes me feel better hearing you say that, so I'm done for a while. Thank you.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Originally Posted by Mr.Bookworm

I'm starting to think Hawk has me on ignore. Why you gotta be like that, Hawk?

Who said that?!

>.>

<.<

Nah but seriously, I was trying to respond to like, 3 people and 2 different topics there and got slightly ninja'd on some of the posts. If it really means so much to you, if I have nothing else to go on before the days out I'll re-vote Karesh. I've given my reasons for unvoting him, and he's still ahead on votes anyway. I'd just rather not lynch somebody when I still have doubts. I'd still ahve prefered to lynch Nik first though.

And you guys forcing me into a lynch by complaining that I've unvoted somebody isn't exactly ideal either.

[Geminex]

And you guys forcing me into a lynch by complaining that I've unvoted somebody isn't exactly ideal either.

Well, it's less "complaining" and more "not really thinking your reasons are good ones". We're trying to take out scum here and avoid lynching townies. We are totes open to ideas and suggestions and good arguments. What we have been doing so far is simply questioning the argument that you made for unvoting Karesh because it seemed to be baseless. Which is why

If it really means so much to you, if I have nothing else to go on before the days out I'll re-vote Karesh.

this is a good choice, I think.

So we're cool!
Also, I should sleep now.

[Nique]

Got a little break at the moment -

It looks like we'll find out about karesh and by extension nikose but I'm really hesitant to follow the group in case we're wrong. I'll have possibly participated in two townie lynches if I do. Need more time to examine the thread for myself.

I have a gut feeling that hawk is our SK. RO seemed to fit the role and Hawk seems unusually excited to be playing again.

[The Artist Formerly Known as Hawk]

Originally Posted by Nique

I have a gut feeling that hawk is our SK. RO seemed to fit the role and Hawk seems unusually excited to be playing again.

Ok, seriously, where is this SK thing coming from in relation to me and RO? Exactly what were the reasons given for RO "fitting the pattern" for being an SK? It was Nikose who said that first (you know, the guy most people seem to think is scum).

As for me being "excited" to be playing again, dude, I got lynched day 1. Again. Sure I'm glad to be back in the game but I only made a couple of posts before people started directing questions straight to me, so I've responded to them. How is that making me look "excited" to be playing exactly? Sure I've been more active today, but only because I've actually had stuff to say. Hell I even said I've only skimmed the thread to catch up on parts I missed when I was dead, if I was so eager to be playing I'd have read everything top to bottom to make sure I was up on what's going on.

As it happens I've spent most of my free time lately reading Song of Ice and Fire novels (first 4 books since christmas) and not doing a whole lot else.

And really, if I was the SK, would I have bothered making so much noise when I could have probably skirted by without drawing any attention to myself? I could have just left a vote on Karesh for an easier lynch and gone by unnoticed. So if I'm the SK, I must be a really terrible player.

[P-Sleazy]

Originally Posted by Inbred Chocobo

Wow, where have you been?

At bahamut, at first I was thinking of going after someone outside the Gem Karesh Nikose love triangle, but now I really don't know what I am going after. Basically lynching Nikose would be the way I would like to do about proving Nikose's, Karesh's, and Gem's claims. Since Freeze decided to jack it up where we can't Lynch Nikose, I was proposing maybe putting it off to the next day, then just lynch Nikose then.

Gem however is making some really good arguments about Nikose being able to know about the claim. Gem points out how roles are revealed if investigated (not to the degree Nikose claimed). So I am going back to

Vote: Karesh

There are two possibilities still.

The Penguin is still out there, and is one of the inactive players, and not Nikose, and just hasn't claimed, or Nikose has a list of roles that were possible in a full game of 25 people, but were left out, so he picked one from there, and wasn't included. However I doubt the second one, but the first could really dissuade me from keeping my vote on Karesh.

At work, and maybe a little bit on facebook, but mostly at work.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Okay, for you P-Sleazy, here are the roleclaims so you understand my theories.

Originally Posted by Nikose Tyris

The Roleclaim:
Roleclaim: Oswald Cobblepot, The Penguin. One person in game [Name withheld] is a lackey that killing me will redirect to killing him instead. It's an extra life at the expense of someone else. The person is pre-assigned, but not a mason partner. I don't know for sure if that person actually realizes what happens, nor do I know what that person's role is.

The Convienience:
Everything about your roleclaim, Aldy, felt like a puzzle falling together in my head. If you are Thomas Elliot, Hush, it would feel like a massive information dump to on day 1; we'd be able to accurately guess which BatHeroes are in the game based on timeline, and possibly figure out whether there's any sideline powers [for instance, Damian Wayne as Robin[Kill role?], as opposed to Dick[Investigative] or Tim[Useless, best case scenario]]. I spent the rest of my energy on day one putting together a likely list of roles, because Moogle is an attention to detail kind of guy, and this is like a Batman puzzle between two horrible nerds. I want to figure out his angle and where he's going with this.

That's the full summary of my feelings. [Also, thanks for doing the big replies to IC, Aldy, while I was in class at college and couldn't spare the time. That as actually a big help.]

Originally Posted by Half Assed" Karesh;1179254]
Fine though, whatever. You guys killing Nikose would lead to my death anyway so;
Roleclaim: [COLOR="Yellow

Clayface Yadda Yadda Arkham aligned and whatnot.[/COLOR]

I was informed that the Pengiun was my boss, but also that he's a tricky bastard and that I should be on my toes for a double cross.
I guess had the body swap thing come up, the flavor would have been him ditching me in a trap or something because he's a doodyhead.

Still, roles are roles. Not his fault.
Bastard.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Aaaaand cut!

Why cut?

Cause it's time for a bit of a roleclaim!
Edward Nigma, the Riddler, at your service. My immersion in a "lazarus pit" (?) allows me to make one brilliant deduction! (I'm a one-shot PO).

Aaaand last night I used my one deduction on none other than Nikose Tyris.

Aaaaand I now know for a fact that he is, in fact, Tim Drake, Robin

Aaaaaand in that light, Karesh, your particular roleclaim is looking awfully thin.

I'm aware I'm probably going to end up dying, but oh well. This was worth it.
After all, I do believe I just killed two bats... with one stone.

So yeah, Nikose's roleclaim directly involves Karesh, and Gem's roleclaim says that Nikose faked his claim, which in turn means Karesh faked his. So yeah, thats why a bunch of us are throwing theories around about how they intermix.

((Seriously, how did you miss this stuff? Work that bad?))