Eclipse Phase: Frosted Glass Discussion - Page 29

Dracorion · 06-03-2010, 09:20 AM

Gem, you still need to edit Spectre's search for asyncs out of your post. Then all evidence of my mistake will have vanished.

Krylo · 06-03-2010, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Geminex

Yeah, tech guys are definitely good. Hence my infosec skill... I had, I think, freerunning instead, initially, but I thought infosec'd be more useful. I hope to expand on it when I get Rez. Though I can't actually use it offensively, yet, I don't have the appropriate program. Can I copy that from one of you, or is it assumed to be copy-protected?

Well even if it was copy protected I'd be a pretty shitty hacker if I couldn't remove that, wouldn't I?

However, I'd guess giving you access to Lind's elite self-programmed exploits would probably cause them to degrade faster (more people using them means greater pressure to patch the holes they exploit), but maybe an older back up (that still works, just without the +30) could be wrangled out of Lind for free.

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Anyway, back to what we're discussing. From what I've gatherd from your replies, and the manual... Basically, we assume that everyone can use... let's call them "cosmetic" AR illusions, but for anything with an actual impact on the game, you need to hack someone's mesh? Is that about right? I'd be fine with that.

Basically!

This doesn't remove their combat applications, however, despite the fact that combat hacking is basically impossible (1 minute to do it fast as possible, which translates to 20 full rounds of combat).

You've just got to use a bit more planning and be a bit more insidious.

Geminex · 06-03-2010, 09:33 AM

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Gem, you still need to edit Spectre's search for asyncs out of your post. Then all evidence of my mistake will have vanished.

Oh, yeah. Sure, sorry.

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Well even if it was copy protected I'd be a pretty shitty hacker if I couldn't remove that, wouldn't I?

I'm not sure, but I think somewhere in the manual I read about that being a task action with a timeframe of 2 months.
Yep, page 248, software.

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These restrictions may be defeated, but it is a time-consuming task, requiring a Task Action Programming Test with a timeframe of 2 months.

Talk about DRM...
Though if you've had your software for a while, I guess it'd be reasonable to assume you've freed it of copy-protection.

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You've just got to use a bit more planning and be a bit more insidious.

Sounds like fun. You just need to hack into wherever you want to be beforehand...

And hey, would it be at all possible to crash the mesh? Just locally?
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Not that I intend to, just wondering.

Krylo · 06-03-2010, 09:38 AM

Well, the mesh is powered by distributed computing so... I guess... maybe if Spectre, Lind, Henric, Tyrfing, and all our muses all got together, started hacking every wall, small object, piece of food, clothing, and person in a habitat, installed back doors in all of them, and were never caught we could, maybe, get into all their back doors and crash them all in a cascading fashion to bring down the mesh?

It'd probably take years and would most likely go down in history as one of the most impressive computer terrorism attacks ever, though.

krogothwolf · 06-03-2010, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Krylo

Well, the mesh is powered by distributed computing so... I guess... maybe if Spectre, Lind, Henric, Tyrfing, and all our muses all got together, started hacking every wall, small object, piece of food, clothing, and person in a habitat, installed back doors in all of them, and were never caught we could, maybe, get into all their back doors and crash them all in a cascading fashion to bring down the mesh?

It'd probably take years and would most likely go down in history as one of the most impressive computer terrorism attacks ever, though.

You would need a distraction to assist in it of course, a more obvious attempt, or even clumsy, or even just a person preforming regular terrorism to draw attention away from your little scheme.

PhoenixFlame · 06-03-2010, 10:31 AM

On AR: The channel (Or group of channels) you're experiencing are part of a public beautification/psychological comforting project designed to make the cold steel, low light minimal habitat appear livable enough so that people don't go eventually insane, and to allow infomorphs to interact with people in meatspace.

In combat, you generally turn this off. I assume you all have it on because that's what normal people do.

Krylo's plan, while cunning, would sadly fail spectacularly due to unknown outside forces.

As for combat hacking: The best way to do it is to infiltrate the system ahead of time, and then manipulate it during combat. However, the window for use is extremely small, because once someone realises their smartlink has been compromised, they'll simply turn it off. Granted, this prevents them from enjoying the smartlink's benefits, but it does stop you from making them say... Kill all their allies.

Aerozord · 06-03-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Krylo

What is AR is that the chair moved out.

As for how real it seems: Very. AR illusions, like XPs, can affect all your senses, sight, sound, smell, and even touch to an extent

ok Aizen

Overcast · 06-03-2010, 04:36 PM

I believe that Daniel would be turning off the AR more often than usual, he is the kind of guy who finds beauty in flaws. His favorite word is atmosphere, because regardless of if you are looking at a painfully barren and ugly landscape marred by constant abuse from the destructive nature of the universe if you apply the word atmosphere to it you can find some small tragic beauty in it.

Has it on now though, made it easier to find the room and he figured if there was a presentation going on no one uses projector slideshows anymore.

krogothwolf · 06-03-2010, 05:24 PM

So does that mean Daniel finds Desmond's face beautiful?

Dracorion · 06-03-2010, 05:31 PM

That would rely on Desmond bothering to put up an AR image of a gorgeous face over his hideous mug.

06-03-2010, 09:20 AM	#281
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	Gem, you still need to edit Spectre's search for asyncs out of your post. Then all evidence of my mistake will have vanished. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.

06-03-2010, 09:38 AM	#284
Krylo The Straightest Shota Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: It's a secret to everybody. Posts: 17,789	Well, the mesh is powered by distributed computing so... I guess... maybe if Spectre, Lind, Henric, Tyrfing, and all our muses all got together, started hacking every wall, small object, piece of food, clothing, and person in a habitat, installed back doors in all of them, and were never caught we could, maybe, get into all their back doors and crash them all in a cascading fashion to bring down the mesh? It'd probably take years and would most likely go down in history as one of the most impressive computer terrorism attacks ever, though. __________________ I am very tired.

06-03-2010, 10:31 AM	#286
PhoenixFlame ☢!CAUTION!☢ Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Beneath Gensokyo Posts: 3,668	On AR: The channel (Or group of channels) you're experiencing are part of a public beautification/psychological comforting project designed to make the cold steel, low light minimal habitat appear livable enough so that people don't go eventually insane, and to allow infomorphs to interact with people in meatspace. In combat, you generally turn this off. I assume you all have it on because that's what normal people do. Krylo's plan, while cunning, would sadly fail spectacularly due to unknown outside forces. As for combat hacking: The best way to do it is to infiltrate the system ahead of time, and then manipulate it during combat. However, the window for use is extremely small, because once someone realises their smartlink has been compromised, they'll simply turn it off. Granted, this prevents them from enjoying the smartlink's benefits, but it does stop you from making them say... Kill all their allies. __________________ "Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic." -from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan Last edited by PhoenixFlame; 06-03-2010 at 10:35 AM.

06-03-2010, 04:36 PM	#288
Overcast Cinderella Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trespassing in the graveyard Posts: 3,076	I believe that Daniel would be turning off the AR more often than usual, he is the kind of guy who finds beauty in flaws. His favorite word is atmosphere, because regardless of if you are looking at a painfully barren and ugly landscape marred by constant abuse from the destructive nature of the universe if you apply the word atmosphere to it you can find some small tragic beauty in it. Has it on now though, made it easier to find the room and he figured if there was a presentation going on no one uses projector slideshows anymore. __________________ Time to bust out the glow sticks!

06-03-2010, 05:24 PM	#289
krogothwolf Fetched the Candy Cane! Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary Posts: 4,278	So does that mean Daniel finds Desmond's face beautiful? __________________ Knowledge is Power, Power is Knowledge ╔╦╦══╦══╦═╦══╦══╦╗╔╦╦╦╦══╦╗╔═╗ ║═╣╠═║╔╗║╔╣╔╗╠╗╔╣╚╝║║║║╔╗║║║═╣ ║║║╔╗╣╚╝║║║╚╝║║║║╔╗║║║║╚╝║╚╣╔╝ ╚╩╩╝╚╩══╩═╩══╝╚╝╚╝╚╩══╩══╩═╩╝

06-03-2010, 05:31 PM	#290
Dracorion Moves Like Jagger, Kupo! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: To the south, a little to the left... Or to the right. Posts: 4,910	That would rely on Desmond bothering to put up an AR image of a gorgeous face over his hideous mug. __________________ Dracorion's dumbass color is Royal Blue. If you see that color, you better run the fuck away.