Hatland Mafia

[Sifright]

Unvote:Aldurin

Unless, the PO will have him on his list now if he is a mafia member so targeting him would actually be silly thinking about it. Next highest on my potential scum list is revolving ocelot for suggesting another policy lynch.

Vote:Revolving Ocelot

Karesh rates quite highly for speaking up for aldurin during day 1 and Inbred chocobo for flawed recall of past events and bizarre theories on how night information is handled.

FOS: Karesh
FOS: Inbred Chocobo

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Sifright

Karesh rates quite highly for speaking up for aldurin during day 1 and Inbred chocobo for flawed recall of past events and bizarre theories on how night information is handled.

FOS: Karesh
FOS: Inbred Chocobo

I hate to draw on precedent again but I defend damn near everybody. I try to make sure every option and possibility is presented as openly as possible to keep people thinking. Hell, if it means getting people to think more I'll even attack my own innocence with those thoughts.

But nonetheless, I do not believe Aldurin is scum at this point. Until such time as he presents more suspicious activity or the PO confirms him as such I'll continue to defend him.

[Kerensky287]

I regret EVERYTHING! /deathpost

[Aldurin]

I am honestly surprised that I'm still alive at day 2. I was certain I would be lynched or nightkilled immediately.

First of all, I am surprised but grateful to whoever used their secret vote to save me. The flavor text bothers me though since it would indicate that the voter isn't town aligned.

And I need to stop voting stupid. I would assume the peacemaker role would allow Snake to stop a lynch before the end of the day (in case it'd cause someone he thought was a townie to die), I don't really see peacemaker meaning "forced lynch".

I feel that Ravashak's analysis of the secret vote is flawed, since he's assuming only one of the people that voted for me or Snake used it, while ignoring the fact that it could also be any of the other minority votes. Point is that anyone could have the secret vote power and its use in yesterday's lynch was not necessarily helpful in identifying anyone.

I don't mind the investigation, if it will eventually prove that I'm town to you guys (I'm hoping that's an investigation).

For today's vote, for now I have to agree that RO's behavior does read scum.

Vote: Revolving Ocelot

FoS: Sifright

I don't get why you are so adamant about voting for me still even though we're getting some better leads. You could very well be town but overtaken by the desire to lynch me, but you could also be scum, trying to hide among the rest of the original bandwagon against me so you look good for voting out a very suspicious townie. I don't like it.

[Geminex]

I don't get why you are so adamant about voting for me still even though we're getting some better leads.

You wonder why people are still suspicous of you? Try 'agression towards other players', 'attempting to give the PO instructions' and 'multiple conflicting roleclaims'. How many other players have done all that? Cause I can't think of any better leads right now. I'm not saying you're definitely scum, not even sure if I'll vote for you today. But suggesting that you don't, in fact, smell as fishy as smörgasbord honestly seems kinda insulting. I mean, yes, scum might be voting for you. But so could a perfectly logically-thinking townie.

Just to make my point, FOS: Earl

Also, in regards to the color, I don't think it necessarily means an extra. I mean, putting myself in bookie's shoes, he was trying to link the secret vote to the "money changing hands" flavor text. Could still have been a Townie or Mafiate that did that.

Also, IC, not quite sure what you're saying here:

The thing was that Snake had 6 votes on him, Ald had 4. Moogle was trying to swap his vote so they both had 5, and if they did when the day ended, then no lynch would've happened. So I believe that was Moogle's motivation for voting for that target, nothing else.

Moogle was trying to swap his vote, to create a tiebreak. A lynch would've still happened eventually, though, and by creating the tiebreak, moogle would've risked hitting earl with it. That wouldn't make sense if both earl and moogle are scum. So either one of them isn't scum, or they are both scum, and moogle posted his vote-change late intentionally, in order to give the illusion that he wanted to vote for earl.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by Geminex

Moogle was trying to swap his vote, to create a tiebreak. A lynch would've still happened eventually, though, and by creating the tiebreak, moogle would've risked hitting earl with it. That wouldn't make sense if both earl and moogle are scum. So either one of them isn't scum, or they are both scum, and moogle posted his vote-change late intentionally, in order to give the illusion that he wanted to vote for earl.

I think we can rule that out. They happened at the same moment, so Moogle would need to have been sitting there patiently refreshing for lord knows how long to get it that close.

[Geminex]

How do you know it was in the same moment? it was teh same minute, we know that. But Bookie was counting down. All moogle would have needed to do is write out the message 5 minutes ahead of time, then previewed the post until he saw that bookie had posted.

I mean, it takes a bit of effort, but it's totally possible. Not saying that is was it, but it's not outside of the realm of the practical.

[Ravashak]

Well, it definately wouldn't be impossible. Bookworm did give 5 hour, an 1 ½ hour, a 10 minute ánd a 7 minute notice.

[Inbred Chocobo]

Okay, looking back, it appears that I miscounted the vote, so it wouldn't have been a tie breaker, it would've been a lynch on Aldurin instead if Moogle's swap at the last minute was successful. ( I missed Kerensky's vote on Aldurin ). That changes things a bit, but what does that mean exactly for Aldurin, its hard to say. Considering it would've been a garunteed kill at the last minute, I could see Ald being innocent. The timing about that post is the oddest part. Yes there were warning messages, but everyone was bickering what to do about it, so I could see both hesitation, bad timing, and intentional timing to slip that vote in the last minute.

The other forum where I played a few mafia games (known as wifom.net) I was in a mafia game with that exact role that as long as they were alive, night killed roles weren't revealed. Its the reason why I brought it up.

Also, most games I have played the role Mayor has the ability to vote twice. It sounds weird but considering Snake's behavior, I think that he used his power to vote for himself in his SNAKE RAGE point of time and left it at that. Could be mayor had other abilities like stopping a lynch or something and it truly was scum, but I don't think the secret vote is going to come up anymore.

I have to admit Shyria not posting at all is getting annoying, so something to monitor, but I could definitely seem the joke voting on P-Sleazy as a ploy as someone would take a look at who Moogle has voted for, and strike them off the list as well, what scum would vote for another one of their own? Still, its not concrete nail in the coffin, but P-sleazy himself isn't contributing anything, and its got me worried, as he doesn't share the same excuse and newbiness that Shyria does.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Here's some thoughts:
Aldurin- While suspicious I think it's a waste of a lynch right now. Operating on the assumption theat the PO broke into his house then when the PO roleclais later on in the ine we will know what Ald is for sure. Preempting the PO would be a bit of a waste. If the PO dies in the intervening time then we can lynch Ald but if there is a townie who knows for sure wgat Akd us we can leave him alive. FOr now anyway till we know more about the breakins.
I do consider the suggestion that Ald has the extra vote likely.

RO: Was his policy lynch suggestion serious? I'm having a hard time seeing it as such and if he was scum I really doubt he would propose and try to force it through cause it so ridiculously scummy. I think he was just pissed off at day 1

Snake's Role- Peacemaker? Some kind of Bodgyuard?
Mayor- usually have some kind of power over the lynch, either preventing lynches or foricng lynches

Karesh- Still not convinced he is scummy.

Sif- is throwing a lot of suspicion around on a lot of people. This is classic scum tactic to divide up the town debate and get everyone turning on each other.

Moogles voting-I don't think he purposefully waiting for the window to close but I don't think it matters because mafia should be able to win a tiebreak because they are the only not iffy people int he tiebreak. The question is his motives? Could be to protect Aldurin, could be they wanted to keep snake around as a distraction, could be they just wanted to get brownie points. This is all on Aldurin who I not sure is best lynch as i said above

Shyria- No posts- cno read, someone to bump of at some point
P-Sleazy- I think this is the best move. P-Sleazy isn't postng a lot, we don't have a lot of info to work with and scum often joke vote each other playfully. moogle did unvote him when that train got some votes.
Vote: P-Sleazy