"The fight against violence" or "The war to end war"

[Amake]

Great people who are able to sacrifice wealth and glamor without shame or fear that their equally great peers look down on them.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by TDK

If everyone was great, who would do the shitty jobs?

Robots.

[Geminex]

We should just kill all the violent people. Bam.

[Amake]

That sounds like something only a violent person would say.

[Professor Smarmiarty]

Originally Posted by Krylo

Robots.

But robots are violent.

[TDK]

Originally Posted by Amake

Great people who are able to sacrifice wealth and glamor without shame or fear that their equally great peers look down on them.

Okay but like. Being able to sacrifice wealth and glamour still doesn't mean you want to dig ditches or clean toilets. If everyone is equally great and can be like rocket scientists and movie stars equally, I don't see anyone being like "yeah I'll clean the fuck out of some toilets"

And if you just made them SO selfless such that they would do that just so other people don't have to or because it needs to be done or whatever, you'd be changing fundamentally who everyone is and everyone would pretty much just be robots who do whatever is best for society and shit. Which would be hella boring.

[Karrrrrrrrrrrresche]

Originally Posted by TDK

Okay but like. Being able to sacrifice wealth and glamour still doesn't mean you want to dig ditches or clean toilets. If everyone is equally great and can be like rocket scientists and movie stars equally, I don't see anyone being like "yeah I'll clean the fuck out of some toilets"

And if you just made them SO selfless such that they would do that just so other people don't have to or because it needs to be done or whatever, you'd be changing fundamentally who everyone is and everyone would pretty much just be robots who do whatever is best for society and shit. Which would be hella boring.

This idea that dirty work should be demeaning and miserable and those involved should be looked down on is to my knowledge a concept created by those who don't do that work.
Maybe Dirty Jobs just managed to be very good about finding the one among the hundreds that does or they've got really good selective perspectives but the people doing those jobs always seemed to genuinely enjoy the physically gratifying work they take part in.

I'm pretty sure Mike Rowe actually did had time on TED for a segment he called "The War On Work". Which is all about that. Worth a watch.

[TDK]

I acknowledge that not all 'dirty' jobs are things no one would want to do, but I'm hard pressed to think that anyone, let alone a 'great' person who is qualified for literally any job (since everyone is equally great) would be gratified cleaning toilets.

[Amake]

I recall a funny comic strip that explained doctors and lawyers and such get economic compensation because they have to distance themselves from humanity, while janitors etc have to be punished for the privilege of being so close to the material world. It was more clever than that, I should try to find it again. But anyway.

We'll simply adjust the salary of any given job with respect to supply and demand. Abracadabra, the hard jobs get done.

[TDK]

So you get paid for how shitty your job is, not how hard it is?

I don't know about you but I'm currently in an introductory rocket science course and this shit is pretty damn hard. I don't think cleaning toilets is very hard. If I was a rocket scientist making less than a janitor, I'd be pretty pissed.

I mean hell, real world example of just this: Teachers make no money, but have jobs that people WANT to do because its for the good of society. Does that mean they're happy about it? Hell no.


Also wouldn't differing salaries cause another inequality, ie an economic one?