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Old 10-31-2011, 05:33 AM   #321
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Theory on hats- mafia will all wear the same hats. So if we find two people with same hats they are mafia probably.
Re moogle- the trillby has a lot of specific associations. Not sure how useful speculating on what kind of hats they are wearing- but trillby could be mafia. I'm not sure what kind of hat a cult leader would wear, depends on the cult- maybe the cult of JAZZ.
If he was cult trying to initiate mafia wouldn't they just kill him? I could see that maybe you would want to differentiate the night kills from cult explosion.
Could be some kind of suicidal role. Hard to say, especially on day 2. Don't suicide roles usually have some kind of effect when they suicide like take somebody else out? Or if they suicide to win or have conditions in which they suicide it usually not night 1 because toehrwise it happen too oftne.
Could be that he got culted night 1 (or night 0 if there was one) and then one of Kerensky or Bard was cult leader and its a suicy cult when leader dies. None of their hats scream cult though.

ON the breakin I guessed it was a cop.Not enough info there to really speculate I feel.
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Old 10-31-2011, 05:45 AM   #322
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Maybe the cult recruiter offs himself, rather than the mafiate. Assuming there's a cult at all. Bookie isn't giving any clues at all as to what alignments exist.

As for the breakin, it's gotta be some kind of investigative role. Maybe not a Cop, but it could be a Watcher. It was reported that nothing was stolen - a null result? If the Watcher picked someone who did absolutely nothing, that'd turn up null. A Cop would always get a result, be it Townie or Mafia.

Also, Snake being a 'Peacemaker'? Ironic, to say the least... I don't regret voting to policy lynch him yesterday, and I'm half tempted to policy lynch vote Sifright today for his own participation.

I'm going to agree with Smarty's original assessment of Fenris being SK and whoever killed Bard being a Vig. Yes, being hacked to pieces is pretty brutal, but the very nature of a Vigilante can be brutal. Look at the Punisher. Granted, I don't know if the Punisher actually chops people up, but it seems like very much like a "YOU ARE EVIL AND YOU SHOULD SUFFER" manuever.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:07 AM   #323
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Theory on hats- mafia will all wear the same hats. So if we find two people with same hats they are mafia probably.
This is interesting. Like, it doesn't help us now, but worth keeping in mind.

In regards to moogle, suicidal roles do exist. But the trilby does seem a bit mafia-esque, and from what I can tell, suicidal isn't a super-common role. So okay, maybe moogle was a mafiate and got culted. Which would itself imply that there's a cult somewhere around. Honestly don't think that moogle was the recruiter. Trilby hat is mafia, if anything, smarty's got that right.

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In regards to RO...

Why do you think "nothing was stolen" implies a null result? If you look at it logically, he'd be looking for clues about his target's alignment. I don't think he'd take evidence along. And besides, if we were told about the null result in the flavor text, that'd be utterly overpowered, since that would effectively confirm earl as vanilla townie.

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I don't regret voting to policy lynch him yesterday, and I'm half tempted to policy lynch vote Sifright today for his own participation.
Also, this is terrible. As town, our main weapon is the lynch. Our goal is not to remove players we don't like from the game. Our goal is to win the game by killing the suspicious ones. If you policy-lynch every night, you're killing off probable townies every night while trusting your vig to do the work for you.

Hell, the suggestion allone is suspicious as fuck.
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I'm going to agree with Smarty's original assessment of Fenris being SK and whoever killed Bard being a Vig.
As for this, we'll see what's what. All we can do is make assumptions right now. But I can't help but feel that you're being deliberately contradictory.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:09 AM   #324
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:16 AM   #325
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Why do you think "nothing was stolen" implies a null result? If you look at it logically, he'd be looking for clues about his target's alignment. I don't think he'd take evidence along. And besides, if we were told about the null result in the flavor text, that'd be utterly overpowered, since that would effectively confirm earl as vanilla townie.
No, I'm saying it meant he didn't do anything last night. Or did all Mafia partaking in a kill suddenly become a thing again?
Results like this being publicly available wouldn't be so overpowered when you consider we have absolutely no other information on people's alignments.

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Also, this is terrible. As town, our main weapon is the lynch. Our goal is not to remove players we don't like from the game. Our goal is to win the game by killing the suspicious ones.
I wasn't concerned with "is he actually mafia", because the whole shitstorm on Day 1 was terrible and made me rethink my participation in the game. Threats of banning Mafia games aren't cool, and I hear it's been banned in the past before.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:17 AM   #326
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Also, Snake being a 'Peacemaker'? Ironic, to say the least... I don't regret voting to policy lynch him yesterday, and I'm half tempted to policy lynch vote Sifright today for his own participation.



I'd just like to say I'm not at all angry but that has got to be one of the scummiest suggestions i've heard. It's bad enough we policy lynched one player who unsurprisingly turned out to be town. You want to do so again. The worst thing about this is that people would try to hide behind "Hmm, well it was a policy lynch whoops I guess?" Policy lynching is the worst type of lynching at least go with people you think are acting genuinely scummy.

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The only reason i've not moved my vote to you is because I still think Aldurin is more scummy.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:23 AM   #327
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:25 AM   #328
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I can see Fenris as the SK. Young kid in a beanie hacking people up? Yeah, definately SK-ish.

Kerensky town, hacked up by Fenris.

Moogle I don't really know. Could be suicide role, could be cult leader who tried to recruit mafia. Could go either way that one.

Bard, town inventor? Presumably vig'd. Which is really unfortunate.

On the break-in, isn't there a thief role that works like a PO but only aquires part of the role info? Like it might only learn a persons power and not alignment? Sounds like this could be a thief, though whether the fluff is indicative of Al being vanilla or what is hard to say.

I'll go back and read the thread again later and see who voted what over day one, now that we have some (semi)confirmed roles to work on.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:43 AM   #329
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Wait wtf am I saying. Night kills didn't get expanded on in other Mafias, why would they now. Only lynches do. Snake got shown by lynch.

Stupid fucking idiot Ocelot.
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Old 10-31-2011, 06:45 AM   #330
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I'll have a talka bout RO and others later, just saying I didn't think that maybe if cult tries to induct mafia the mafia he tried to induct dies.
I'm thinking that is a reasonable possibility for what happens to Moogs.
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