Batman Mafia - Page 34

P-Sleazy · 01-14-2012, 01:08 AM

Ok, well, I just got done with a two day trip to Charleston. I see that you're all really strong on Oron, but somehow, I'm not buying it. But that could just be because I'm usually typically cautious of voting for people when there's a bandwagon forming.

Geminex · 01-14-2012, 04:01 PM

Well, like I said. Oron was uncertain, but he supported me against Nikose fairly quickly, and he really just said we should take things slow for Karesh. I'm giving him a pass for that.

As for the rest... gah. There's a couple of players I feel pretty confident about. And others I don't.
Greed, for one, has been silent to the point of inactivity. 2 posts, 1 vote. He's either super-busy or hiding something. Though he hasn't been that active on the rest of the forum. P-Sleazy has been making a lot of jokeposts, and his only vote during the nikose-karesh episode was for IC, of all people. Though holding off on oron does kinda speak in his favor.
Ravashak has been okay in terms of content, but fell suspicously silent during the karesh-nikose epipsode.

Gah.

Oron · 01-14-2012, 05:42 PM

Well, let's take another look at the current role claims we've got.

Geminex is basically our only confirmed role right now. He's pretty cut and dry given that little fiasco ending up in revealing Nikose's role and confirming Gem.

Inbred Chocobo claimed Killer Croc. Nobody's contested it, and vanilla's pretty bland. Could be a cover, but he went after Nikose/Karesh.

Earl's miller claim is still curious. Given Nikose's knowledge of Batman and Mafia, I would have expected him to create role claims for the other vigilantes to use in this scenario. Also being immune to death-by-Batman (or incarceration, I guess - Bats wouldn't try to kill him) was the catch for most of us, I think. So his role could have been forged, maybe. But then Nique turned up Batman, and why would Earl lie about being the miller if he wasn't Batman? Another reason to consider not voting for him this day is that if we do lynch him and he does turn up town, then we have no leads. So...

I guess we could look at each player and evaluate how scummy they appear to us. Given how many characters there are in the Batman universe, anybody could just make something up (and it looks like there's a safe list), so I don't know how useful a role call would be. It's still a possibility, though. I'm guessing there's only one or two vigilantes at most who are still alive.

And I guess all the kill roles are dead after that last Night, huh?

Oron · 01-14-2012, 05:44 PM

Looking back, Nikose said there were three Bat-mafiates left. Without him I guess there's two.

Moogle0119 · 01-14-2012, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fenris

I was in communication with Nikose, but not Marius.

Still not right of me to do, clearly, but at least get your facts straight?

Sorry, you cheated with one other player and not two. Duly noted.

Deadline in 48 hours.

Inbred Chocobo · 01-14-2012, 08:08 PM

I've been thinking here on who to go for. Oron, I don't know, I can't really get a feel for his posts. They read more as a confused townie than anything else. I tell you who I can't get a reading out of at all, greed and P-sleazy. Those two just bother me with their not posting. (I barely remember that greed is in the game, and P-sleazy, he is working apparently).

Aldurin, well here is the thing. Nikose provided deterrence from lynching him. Weird thing about it though was that he was referencing that it was such an obscure character that fit the role. However, we now know Nikose was scum, and considering his vast knowledge, its not too far fetched to say the role was fabricated by him and given to Aldurin.

The only thing that throws me off though was the timing of the claim, because Aldurin did it quick, like really quick. He claimed because he saw a scum claim, so it would've been an extremely quick claim for that to happen, so I'm not sure. I'm not really feeling it for him, but if everyone goes for him I'm not going to go out of my way to stop it.

Interesting note, Gregness and Oron were apart of the lot, with Nique, Karesh, and Nikose were apart of, that tossed their hat in the ring of IC wanting to lynch Nikose was weird because he either explained too hard or said it was due to gut feeling. That lot also had Aldurin in it.

Of course, you people were convinced I was scum until Gem did his saving grace to prove Nikose was scum once and for all, so whatever, its not like I don't know what I am talking about.

Vote: BahamutFlare

So here is my issue. If I say its gut feeling, you guys won't trust me. If I explain my thought process, you realize I will go on a rant, and then lynch me because I went on it. So here is what I am going to say.

I am not familiar with his posting style, but it reeks of just going with the flow, not trying to get on anyone's radar, or appear scum at all. So there, do what you will with that.

Geminex · 01-14-2012, 08:25 PM

Dude, you went after Nikose pretty hard, you have some town credits. I mean, we might not agree with you but unless you really screw the pooch, I don't think you're getting lynched.

Mind you, the succint version works too.

I dunno, though. Bahamut went after both Nikose and Karesh really quickly, and stood behind by claim pretty well. If you think we could learn more from a bit of in-depth analysis, I'd be glad to read it.

Aldurin · 01-14-2012, 08:25 PM

I figure I might as well give some extra info to town that I think clarifies the weirdness of Geminex's role. At the end N1 I got a message from Moogle, saying that The Scarecrow used a fear toxin on me to learn my worst fear, which I was told was never to fulfill my revenge against Batman. The next day Fenris turned up as The Scarecrow, but labeled a roleblocker. At the time I was still unsure of what I should reveal after realizing it was a mistake to let everyone know that Batman couldn't kill me, and I felt it wasn't really relevant.

Now after some thought, I found it really weird that Geminex had only 1 shot for his investigation, but then I considered my Scarecrow interaction and I've figured out this. Geminex is meant to be able to make one "full" investigation on someone, and he would be the one to get a false reading if he scanned me. I assume that Fenris would have gotten back the "greatest fear" flavor from roleblocking me, acting like a semi-PO, which would be unaffected by my Miller role. Basically what I'm saying is that our intended investigator the whole game was Fenris, who would receive flavor clues to the identity of the player (with the added bonus of roleblocking), and Geminex could provide one solid reading that would plainly say who the person was. That's how I see it, but in terms of balance Fenris would be pretty overpowered compared to Geminex.

Just thought you guys would like to know, so that you don't invest too much in a second PO to show up.

Aldurin · 01-14-2012, 08:41 PM

To respond to IC's post, the reason I looked like I was defending Nikose was I didn't like how you were presenting your arguments against him, specifically when talking about the D1 lynch. You were just pushing it really hard and the descriptions you put on that list without much immediate explanation just bothered me. It did inadvertently defend Nikose (though I probably should have keyed into the fact that Nikose repping me for that post was off (don't worry, Moogle, it was a blank rep that I can screenshot for you if you want)).

So I do apologize for going after you D2, since my quest for clarification on arguments kinda misled me.

Inbred Chocobo · 01-14-2012, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geminex

I dunno, though. Bahamut went after both Nikose and Karesh really quickly, and stood behind by claim pretty well. If you think we could learn more from a bit of in-depth analysis, I'd be glad to read it.

Alright sure,

~~~ACTIVE POWER! ANALYSIS OF BAHAMUTFLARE ACTIVATE~~~
No this isn't actually a power I'm just marking it.

Bah's first post was a stating IHMN in agreement to lynching the miller, and an FOS on Hawk for his joke claim miller, which was about a day ago and had already at that time been re-stated it was a response to another joke post. He also states it was a quick scan, so whatever, but still. He proceeds to chastise P-Sleaze a bit, then goes on about Aldurin's "freakout" which was really Ald being Ald and how that was scum behavior, and votes for him.

Oron and Fenris argue some points, and interesting enough, Bah points out he is in the middle of about what it would be to lynch Ald, not enough to be an initiator, but not far enough to be a final nail in the coffin, just you know, going with what everyone else was saying. Fenris makes a point, and Bah agrees.

Lynch happens on IHMN between this post an the next one

Bah jumps in on the bandwagon as well for IC posting scummy, or saying we should lynch Nikose based off feelings as scum activity. This is after a couple people say so. He also adds in, still not liking Aldy.

He also responded to RO's ragequit, with chirping in about him not being able to defend himself against SK claims, that everyone else was typing in. Also expresses concern for RO having to quit, worrying about him.

Then he is back to going between Aldy and me. Seriously though, he has been sitting on Aldurin and wanting to lynch him a lot lately. This is throwing me off.

People start seeming in favor of lynching me, then suddenly people start expressing they are concerned, but then hesitant just because of feeling. I think two different people stated it before Bah chirped it echoing it. He is quiet all the way up until the time period that everyone starts the vote train on Nikose.

He tries to clear up some clarification from my post, and states that he is always confused by Gem.

He then tosses in his own theories here about lynching between Karesh and Gem, fine, whatever everyone else is doing it. Also restates some infor for Hawk about why the thought was RO was SK. Hawk basically responds, well I'm not SK, and if Hawk's post was a facebook status, Bah's reply would've been a like.

Bah joins the argument about mod-killing, then helps out referencing some old information about another game. Finally, when we are all trying to figure out who to lynch, he brings up Aldurin.

Summary: All his posts have been basically, yeah I like that, or yeah, we can do that, or hey here is what they are talking about. I don't know, feels like that boy scout kind of good, which is something easy to fake. He is always defaulting to going after Aldurin too, nothing else either.

I'll be honest though, this isn't anything like I had against Nikose, but its right now the most that is bothering me.

01-14-2012, 01:08 AM	#331
P-Sleazy Can Summon Sparkles by Posing! Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kinging it up! Posts: 2,339	Ok, well, I just got done with a two day trip to Charleston. I see that you're all really strong on Oron, but somehow, I'm not buying it. But that could just be because I'm usually typically cautious of voting for people when there's a bandwagon forming. __________________ The King is your new master now. Totally returning for the Summer: a mafia Game: Sign ups HERE!

01-14-2012, 05:42 PM	#333
Oron Curious Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 208	Well, let's take another look at the current role claims we've got. Geminex is basically our only confirmed role right now. He's pretty cut and dry given that little fiasco ending up in revealing Nikose's role and confirming Gem. Inbred Chocobo claimed Killer Croc. Nobody's contested it, and vanilla's pretty bland. Could be a cover, but he went after Nikose/Karesh. Earl's miller claim is still curious. Given Nikose's knowledge of Batman and Mafia, I would have expected him to create role claims for the other vigilantes to use in this scenario. Also being immune to death-by-Batman (or incarceration, I guess - Bats wouldn't try to kill him) was the catch for most of us, I think. So his role could have been forged, maybe. But then Nique turned up Batman, and why would Earl lie about being the miller if he wasn't Batman? Another reason to consider not voting for him this day is that if we do lynch him and he does turn up town, then we have no leads. So... I guess we could look at each player and evaluate how scummy they appear to us. Given how many characters there are in the Batman universe, anybody could just make something up (and it looks like there's a safe list), so I don't know how useful a role call would be. It's still a possibility, though. I'm guessing there's only one or two vigilantes at most who are still alive. And I guess all the kill roles are dead after that last Night, huh? __________________ Sneaking around the forums to read your posts.

01-14-2012, 05:44 PM	#334
Oron Curious Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 208	Looking back, Nikose said there were three Bat-mafiates left. Without him I guess there's two. __________________ Sneaking around the forums to read your posts.

01-14-2012, 04:01 PM	#332
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Well, like I said. Oron was uncertain, but he supported me against Nikose fairly quickly, and he really just said we should take things slow for Karesh. I'm giving him a pass for that. As for the rest... gah. There's a couple of players I feel pretty confident about. And others I don't. Greed, for one, has been silent to the point of inactivity. 2 posts, 1 vote. He's either super-busy or hiding something. Though he hasn't been that active on the rest of the forum. P-Sleazy has been making a lot of jokeposts, and his only vote during the nikose-karesh episode was for IC, of all people. Though holding off on oron does kinda speak in his favor. Ravashak has been okay in terms of content, but fell suspicously silent during the karesh-nikose epipsode. Gah.

01-14-2012, 08:08 PM	#336
Inbred Chocobo Bitches love the crown Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: In my happy place! Posts: 3,264	I've been thinking here on who to go for. Oron, I don't know, I can't really get a feel for his posts. They read more as a confused townie than anything else. I tell you who I can't get a reading out of at all, greed and P-sleazy. Those two just bother me with their not posting. (I barely remember that greed is in the game, and P-sleazy, he is working apparently). Aldurin, well here is the thing. Nikose provided deterrence from lynching him. Weird thing about it though was that he was referencing that it was such an obscure character that fit the role. However, we now know Nikose was scum, and considering his vast knowledge, its not too far fetched to say the role was fabricated by him and given to Aldurin. The only thing that throws me off though was the timing of the claim, because Aldurin did it quick, like really quick. He claimed because he saw a scum claim, so it would've been an extremely quick claim for that to happen, so I'm not sure. I'm not really feeling it for him, but if everyone goes for him I'm not going to go out of my way to stop it. Interesting note, Gregness and Oron were apart of the lot, with Nique, Karesh, and Nikose were apart of, that tossed their hat in the ring of IC wanting to lynch Nikose was weird because he either explained too hard or said it was due to gut feeling. That lot also had Aldurin in it. Of course, you people were convinced I was scum until Gem did his saving grace to prove Nikose was scum once and for all, so whatever, its not like I don't know what I am talking about. Vote: BahamutFlare So here is my issue. If I say its gut feeling, you guys won't trust me. If I explain my thought process, you realize I will go on a rant, and then lynch me because I went on it. So here is what I am going to say. I am not familiar with his posting style, but it reeks of just going with the flow, not trying to get on anyone's radar, or appear scum at all. So there, do what you will with that.

01-14-2012, 08:25 PM	#337
Geminex SOM3WH3R3 Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 4,606	Dude, you went after Nikose pretty hard, you have some town credits. I mean, we might not agree with you but unless you really screw the pooch, I don't think you're getting lynched. Mind you, the succint version works too. I dunno, though. Bahamut went after both Nikose and Karesh really quickly, and stood behind by claim pretty well. If you think we could learn more from a bit of in-depth analysis, I'd be glad to read it.

01-14-2012, 08:25 PM	#338
Aldurin Lakitu Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,648	I figure I might as well give some extra info to town that I think clarifies the weirdness of Geminex's role. At the end N1 I got a message from Moogle, saying that The Scarecrow used a fear toxin on me to learn my worst fear, which I was told was never to fulfill my revenge against Batman. The next day Fenris turned up as The Scarecrow, but labeled a roleblocker. At the time I was still unsure of what I should reveal after realizing it was a mistake to let everyone know that Batman couldn't kill me, and I felt it wasn't really relevant. Now after some thought, I found it really weird that Geminex had only 1 shot for his investigation, but then I considered my Scarecrow interaction and I've figured out this. Geminex is meant to be able to make one "full" investigation on someone, and he would be the one to get a false reading if he scanned me. I assume that Fenris would have gotten back the "greatest fear" flavor from roleblocking me, acting like a semi-PO, which would be unaffected by my Miller role. Basically what I'm saying is that our intended investigator the whole game was Fenris, who would receive flavor clues to the identity of the player (with the added bonus of roleblocking), and Geminex could provide one solid reading that would plainly say who the person was. That's how I see it, but in terms of balance Fenris would be pretty overpowered compared to Geminex. Just thought you guys would like to know, so that you don't invest too much in a second PO to show up.

01-14-2012, 08:41 PM	#339
Aldurin Lakitu Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 4,648	To respond to IC's post, the reason I looked like I was defending Nikose was I didn't like how you were presenting your arguments against him, specifically when talking about the D1 lynch. You were just pushing it really hard and the descriptions you put on that list without much immediate explanation just bothered me. It did inadvertently defend Nikose (though I probably should have keyed into the fact that Nikose repping me for that post was off (don't worry, Moogle, it was a blank rep that I can screenshot for you if you want)). So I do apologize for going after you D2, since my quest for clarification on arguments kinda misled me.