Eclipse Phase: Frosted Glass Discussion

[PhoenixFlame]

Originally Posted by Dracorion

... Firewall is the most badass organization ever.

We have your backup, don't we? I mean, you never cared about that fork anyway.

[Dracorion]

It's a shame Ellen was too worried about making an entrance. If she had arrived early to the meeting, she'd know more about the rest of the team and then I could do a post about each of their usefulness.

I've been dying to do that post.

[Geminex]

I find Johanna's respone to Spectre's question a bit strange. I was under the impression that this was the first time we learned anything about firewall, the first time we've had any significant contact with them. Isn't it? If so, how do they have Ellen's backup? If not, what do we already know, what are we going to learn in later briefings?

Edit:
Oh and:

And when she did, she had to make sure to plant an idea into a disgruntled employee to kill the person she had taken information from and to destroy their cortical stacks.

Either Drac is massively overestimating Ellen's abilities or Psi is fucking over-powered.

[Dracorion]

Originally Posted by Geminex

I find Johanna's respone to Spectre's question a bit strange. I was under the impression that this was the first time we learned anything about firewall, the first time we've had any significant contact with them. Isn't it? If so, how do they have Ellen's backup? If not, what do we already know, what are we going to learn in later briefings?

Like you said, this is the first time we've had significant contact. Doesn't mean there couldn't have been an interview beforehand. They probably have Ellen's backup because they're badass like that, because she's an async, and so they could conduct a more intensive interrogation, not to mention scan her brain, without her remembering.

Originally Posted by Geminex

Either Drac is massively overestimating Ellen's abilities or Psi is fucking over-powered.

Don't you start bitching, Mister "stealth-is-hilariously-good".

It's entirely possible I'm overestimating Ellen's abilities, but I don't think so. See, here's Subliminal's description:

The Subliminal sleight allows the async to influence the train of thought of another person by implementing a single post-hypnotic suggestion into the mind of the target. If the async wins the Opposed Test, the recipient will carry out this suggestion as if it was their own idea. Implanted suggestions must be short and simple; as a rule of thumb, the gamemaster may only suggestions encompassed by a short sentence (for example: “open the airlock,” or “hand over the weapon”). At the gamemaster’s discretion, the target may receive a bonus for resisting suggestions that are immediately life threatening (“jump off the bridge”) or that violate their motivations or personal strictures. Suggestions do not need to be carried out immediately, they may be implanted with a short trigger condition (“when the alarm goes off, ignore it”)

Hence why: disgruntled employee. Probably severely disgruntled. Not to mention, she has to win the roll first.

[Krylo]

Originally Posted by Geminex

If so, how do they have Ellen's backup

PROBABLY because they found out who had all of our backups, electronically raided them, copied them, and then performed invasive psychosurgery interrogation on them to vet us.

[Overcast]

I'd like to see if all that willpower was a reasonable investment just by seeing how long it took them to get anything out of Daniel's backup. Because really...that is his main stat.

[Geminex]

Ok, fair enough on the psi. But still, I think they'd get one hell of a bonus to resist committing murder. And "kill x and destroy their cortical stack" doesn't seem so complex until you realize that, to do it successfully, you need quite a bit of planning. I mean, sure, maybe flat-out, walk-into-the-next-cubicle-with-a-letter-opener (I'm pretending that "cubicles" still exist, as well as letters) murder might be sufficiently simple to be covered by the command, but successfully killing somebody, that requires planning, unless you're in their immediate vicinity and are holding a heavy weapon. Trust me, I know.

My point is, that murder is too complex to be implanted through subliminal sleight.

Edit:
Wow, Firewall are assholes.

[Aerozord]

wanted to say I'm still following everything, Just Henric is currently sitting quietly and listening

[Dracorion]

I was thinking more like "take this gun, go through the door and shoot the guy in the head", quickly followed by "destroy his cortical stack".

[Geminex]

Fair enough. Still, destroying a cortical stack takes a bit of effort.
And besides, if said murderer fails, or even if he's successful, you'd look suspicious to say the least.