How to turn a creationist

[Kim]

Originally Posted by Aldurin

As a Christian, I am opposed to the idea of converting someone away from creationistic ideas but it's not my place to try and stop you (I know how those debates go). I will point out however that from a non-religious standpoint, trying to further a relationship with the mindset of "She's wrong and I need to tell her she's wrong" is inconsiderate of the other person, because even if you feel that you have overwhelming evidence that you're right it doesn't mean that she will be receptive to debating in the "Why you're wrong" manner.

Discuss both your views with each other, that way it's actually possible to get anywhere with that without damaging your relation, and you may gain more insight than you had before.

Your post seems to advocate that when people believe incorrect things we should let them continue to believe those incorrect things out of consideration for them, which is a position people only seem to take when the subject of religion is broached.

[Aldurin]

Originally Posted by Liz

Your post seems to advocate that when people believe incorrect things we should let them continue to believe those incorrect things out of consideration for them, which is a position people only seem to take when the subject of religion is broached.

Originally Posted by Aldurin

Discuss both your views with each other, that way it's actually possible to get anywhere with that without damaging your relation, and you may gain more insight than you had before.

Except that you automatically ignored how at the end of my post I said to discuss the subject from both sides as the best way to debate a topic, which is not the same thing as making no attempt to convince them of your side.

[Marc v4.0]

Originally Posted by Fenris

A reminder to keep this conversation at roughly this level of civility, for the future.

I think we are already well beyond the boundries of that rule when we start out the thread talking about changing someone to the 'correct' way of seeing things because of beer and she's hot, and then continue from that point.

[Token]

Fucking hell people. Seriously? There's no need to be assholes about this. I mean it's all well and good when we're dicks to each other, I guess, but some random person only one of us knows? Because she's hot, and he wants a beer?

The fuck.

[Fenris]

Originally Posted by Marc v4.0

I think we are already well beyond the boundries of that rule when we start out the thread talking about changing someone to the 'correct' way of seeing things because of beer and she's hot, and then continue from that point.

That is a remarkably good point. I missed the word "correct" in Oster's post.

[Token]

Seriously, whether or not it's "less wrong," it's still a dickish thing to do.

y'all should know better.

Closing.

[synkr0nized]

Whoa. Did Token just close a thread? Stealth-mod? What did I miss...

[Satan's Onion]

I think it was something else (one of us closed it, edited that in, or similar).

Anyway, shit like this makes me damn glad I accepted the Doctor as my personal savior.