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**Revising Ocelot** · 07-28-2013, 07:47 AM

Amake · 07-28-2013, 07:52 AM

What do you know, after sleeping on it I found an opinion. I think whatever damage Fish may have done to the indie game scene is ridiculously unimportant. Orson Scott Card's gay-hating tendencies damage the credibility of writers and give writers bad ideas more than this, and I'm fine with not giving him any of my money, but there's a lot of people for whom his work means a great deal, who have felt incredibly betrayed by the revelation of his bigotry, and yet they apparently deal with it without feeling the need to attack Card personally. Indie game enthusiasts have not shown the same dignity.

There's probably more than one hopeful young dev who might have made the Citizen Kane of games, but who maybe isn't too confident in their ability to maintain a tolerable public persona, and reads about this and learns what the Internet hate machine does to you if you don't keep your mouth shut and gives up and gets a honest job instead.

I would tell them, as I would have told Fish, that it doesn't matter what people think of you, you can say nothing, be a complete nonentity to your audience, and if your work is good then people will enjoy it. But I don't know if anyone can believe that, since we're apparently so damn eager to judge the quality of a work by the behavior of its author that we celebrate when a guy we hate stops making games. I think that's the real problem here.

Ryong · 07-28-2013, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Amake

I would tell them, as I would have told Fish, that it doesn't matter what people think of you, you can say nothing, be a complete nonentity to your audience, and if your work is good then people will enjoy it.

See: Nifflas ( guy behind the knytt series ), Konjak ( guy making Iconoclasts, made Noitu Love series, that one cool Legend of Zelda single stage game ) and a bunch others.

Ramary · 07-28-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Amake

the Citizen Kane of games

I FUCKING HATE THAT PHRASE. STOP USING IT, HOW ARE GAMES GONNA BECOME THEIR OWN THING IF WE ARE STILL JUST TRYING TO APE HOLLYWOOD, FUCK HOLLYWOOD. PEOPLE KEEP THROWING IT ON BIG POPULAR GAMES AS SOON AS THEY ARE OUT, WHEN KANE WAS A BOX OFFICE FLOP AND IT WAS NOT TILL MUCH LATER THAT IT WAS RECOGNIZED.

Yes I went all caps because I am yelling at you. Yes I really do hate that phrase that much. Also King Kong was a much more important movie to film making then Citizen Kane.

Amake · 07-28-2013, 02:11 PM

I use it as a synonym for "work that history remembers as the defining moment for its medium", I didn't know what those other people are talking about but they're clearly using it wrong.

Locke cole · 07-28-2013, 02:56 PM

Then say "Defining moment for gaming" instead?

Amake · 07-28-2013, 03:27 PM

I am starting to wish I had said "The Maus of videogames" instead.

akaSM · 07-28-2013, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramary

WHEN KANE WAS A BOX OFFICE FLOP AND IT WAS NOT TILL MUCH LATER THAT IT WAS RECOGNIZED.

The answer is Psychonauts...right?

About this guy, I barely heard of him or his game but, I'll ride the blowfish bandawagon because that's the cool thing to do.

Also, I don't like that guy.

PyrosNine · 07-29-2013, 01:23 AM

Pyros wants a Maus video game that is entirely about trading commodities in an increasingly desperate market and long lavishly drawn cutscenes in the graphic novelist's style.

akaSM · 07-29-2013, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PyrosNine

Pyros wants a Maus video game that is entirely about trading commodities in an increasingly desperate market and long lavishly drawn cutscenes in the graphic novelist's style.

TF2 + MGS4 + Braid?

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07-28-2013, 07:52 AM	#32
Amake Keeper of the new Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: A place without judgment Posts: 4,506	What do you know, after sleeping on it I found an opinion. I think whatever damage Fish may have done to the indie game scene is ridiculously unimportant. Orson Scott Card's gay-hating tendencies damage the credibility of writers and give writers bad ideas more than this, and I'm fine with not giving him any of my money, but there's a lot of people for whom his work means a great deal, who have felt incredibly betrayed by the revelation of his bigotry, and yet they apparently deal with it without feeling the need to attack Card personally. Indie game enthusiasts have not shown the same dignity. There's probably more than one hopeful young dev who might have made the Citizen Kane of games, but who maybe isn't too confident in their ability to maintain a tolerable public persona, and reads about this and learns what the Internet hate machine does to you if you don't keep your mouth shut and gives up and gets a honest job instead. I would tell them, as I would have told Fish, that it doesn't matter what people think of you, you can say nothing, be a complete nonentity to your audience, and if your work is good then people will enjoy it. But I don't know if anyone can believe that, since we're apparently so damn eager to judge the quality of a work by the behavior of its author that we celebrate when a guy we hate stops making games. I think that's the real problem here. __________________ Hope insistent, trust implicit, love inherent, life immersed

07-28-2013, 02:11 PM	#35
Amake Keeper of the new Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: A place without judgment Posts: 4,506	I use it as a synonym for "work that history remembers as the defining moment for its medium", I didn't know what those other people are talking about but they're clearly using it wrong. __________________ Hope insistent, trust implicit, love inherent, life immersed

07-28-2013, 03:27 PM	#37
Amake Keeper of the new Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: A place without judgment Posts: 4,506	I am starting to wish I had said "The Maus of videogames" instead. __________________ Hope insistent, trust implicit, love inherent, life immersed

07-29-2013, 01:23 AM	#39
PyrosNine Zettai Hero Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A figment of my own imagination Posts: 6,103	Pyros wants a Maus video game that is entirely about trading commodities in an increasingly desperate market and long lavishly drawn cutscenes in the graphic novelist's style. __________________ Pyrosnine.blogspot.com: An experimental blog of writing. Updated possibly daily. Possibly. A fair chance. Current Works for reading: War Between them, Karma Police. PyrosNine: Weirdo Magnet Extraordinaire!