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Unread 04-26-2010, 09:23 AM   #1
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Unread 04-26-2010, 11:58 AM   #2
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I wonder: are the other two "inhabitants" here also former evolutionary amorphs who created themselves to be what they are now? If this is (or is not) so, is it possible to acquire their evolutionary limit for ourself (as in by eating the whole of the Dweller and absorbing what it had learned/its DNA)? Even the robot could be via careful evolutions of crests and armor (though I doubt it with the crest sigil engraved, see below)

Regardless: I've a bad feeling for our current predicament - we need to get out of the robot's attack-zone, but we don't know what that is, exactly. How did the robot send its fist (containing, of all things, a new set of eyes) all the way down here? Where is the main body? At what point and in what way did it arrive here? Certainly not down the main passage presented in post #104 where we ate the mold - we don't even know where that led (I'm actually having some problems putting the full map in order in my head). Further, the robot is certainly related to the golden plate - they both have the same symbol etched on them (post #283), and the golden plate "is not your friend" - though this could be purely perspective, as the Dweller and the Gold Plate "seemed" to have an alliance to the pea-brained creature (us), when it seems (out of character) it was just the sentient Dweller using tools at hand.

So, the real thing now is: what next? Simply backing out of the tunnel is an option, but our glass 'hair/crest' might get stuck, and considering the text after panel three in # 389 it might not be too viable anyway. If the robot punches us in the face, we might lose some of our favorite organs (eye, ears, brain, etc), even if not permanently, perhaps in terms of prescious, prescious fluid which will take time to regrow. Another issue we've not confronted yet: where is the energy for our bioluminescence and laser-eyes coming from? I'm presuming our movement and basic functions are part of our (presumed) mitochondrial cellular structures, as normal, via digestion, but I'm uncertain about how much energy we have and how readily we can access it. Is there a way to take on our 'stealth' form, which was more sinuous and thus presumably able to squeeze easier? It does seem our evolutions have some lag time, as the conversion is in the midst of happening now.

As to Evolution (for discussion, not for now):
In general/theory, I agree with the basics of SWBob's suggestion here, however now is not the moment as we don't have enough fluid or time to do so, and, if I may suggest, we seriously consider a focusing element so that the lasers run through our crest (instead of our eyes) for various effects (scattering, focusing, intensifying, etc) based on how we work it. I don't think we will successfully have slivers of the crest at this time, as we aren't a lithovor any longer. Currently we have both laser eyes and bioluminescence - not bad, but that's two things that take radiant energy (light) and focus it into two different ways, being inefficient in both evolutions and our (limited) bio-energy distribution. I suggest we consider a consolidation, though I don't exactly know how or what. Perhaps something like a singular "third-eye" with the crest as mobile lenses? I don't know. I also agree we need to limit our evolutions in general, but this might be sensible. What say you, Tev-Krylo Node Center (and anyone else)? As to the brain, I believe that it's necessary. I'm guessing we'd be experiencing significant penalties that we can't even guess at now without it.
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Unread 04-26-2010, 10:40 PM   #3
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Regardless: I've a bad feeling for our current predicament - we need to get out of the robot's attack-zone, but we don't know what that is, exactly. How did the robot send its fist (containing, of all things, a new set of eyes) all the way down here? Where is the main body? At what point and in what way did it arrive here? Certainly not down the main passage presented in post #104 where we ate the mold - we don't even know where that led (I'm actually having some problems putting the full map in order in my head).
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As to Evolution (for discussion, not for now):
In general/theory, I agree with the basics of SWBob's suggestion here, however now is not the moment as we don't have enough fluid or time to do so, and, if I may suggest, we seriously consider a focusing element so that the lasers run through our crest (instead of our eyes) for various effects (scattering, focusing, intensifying, etc) based on how we work it.
The shards are parts of a broken bottle from the room the robot is in. It was full of nutrient rich liquid. This is pretty obvious from looking at the first few pages and using some deductive reasoning.

Knowing this and basic light physics, we know that any attempts to 'focus' our lasers through the shards would be foolhardy, as you don't use random glass bottles to focus lasers. You use carefully created and aligned lenses. The only result firing our lasers through the glass shards would have is diffusing them even further than they already are, and considering how weak they are currently this would effectively remove all use for them. They already don't have much of one.

We need to increase energy output.

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Currently we have both laser eyes and bioluminescence - not bad, but that's two things that take radiant energy (light) and focus it into two different ways, being inefficient in both evolutions and our (limited) bio-energy distribution.
Thanks for the reminder. With the Dweller dead bioluminescence is now useless considering we have echolocation.

UNEVOLVE BIOLUMINESCENCE.

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Unread 04-26-2010, 11:10 PM   #4
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The shards are parts of a broken bottle from the room the robot is in. It was full of nutrient rich liquid. This is pretty obvious from looking at the first few pages and using some deductive reasoning.

Knowing this and basic light physics, we know that any attempts to 'focus' our lasers through the shards would be foolhardy, as you don't use random glass bottles to focus lasers. You use carefully created and aligned lenses. The only result firing our lasers through the glass shards would have is diffusing them even further than they already are, and considering how weak they are currently this would effectively remove all use for them. They already don't have much of one.

We need to increase energy output.
I'd agree in general, however do remember we're living in a world where we maintain sensual "vision" while we shoot photons out of our photon-receptor things (eyes), at least by way representation within the comic so far, however that could have just been artistic liscence, or the Dweller's view, as we have seen things (to a limited extent) from the veiw of another (the robot, explaining he was a gentleman). Hm, actually, this could be a limited form of telepathy. All that said, yeah, I get the fact that reflection and refraction would be a part of the negative processes, but that's gotta happen in the eyes too, at least to some extent. Further, it's theoretically possible for us to 'grind' the glass into suitable lenses. Really, I was thinking of a shining horn-of-light like thing (think Carbunkle from various final fantasy games), but I'm not overly attatched to that idea - so consider it withdrawn. Currently the glass is purely decorative to the best of my knowledge, though it might come in useful at some point. We really don't know the full rules of the world we're living in yet, only that they aren't completely ours.

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Thanks for the reminder. With the Dweller dead bioluminescence is now useless considering we have echolocation.

UNEVOLVE BIOLUMINESCENCE.
I gotta disagree, especially right now. UNevolving might use up 'fluids' just as evolving might - we know this isn't a perfect system with no loss. Currently we're in the middle of a battle. Discretion, I think at this point, is the better part of valor, and safety before boldness.

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Thanks for the file, but that still doesn't explain where the distant warm glowy thing was, or how our little pit was relative to the sun. I'm just unsure of those locations at present.
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maybe it just wants the plate. But right now I think we should get out of there. Condence and flee down the hole the dweller was in
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I'd guess it means we're going to have to stop being a blob and begin building evolutions that depend entirely upon other evolutions to exist. Such as how a musculature system would be completely pointless and useless to evolve unless we also evolve a skeletal system for muscles to push against.

I'd further guess that once we have enough evolutions that can no longer be reduced (as doing so would mean destroying/disabling the evolutions that came after them), our evolutionary limit would/will increase.

In other words, I would posit that our creator is trying to get us to evolve into something less squishy and formless. Or at least providing a carrot that might be tempting enough to give up all the advantages that come with being squishy and formless.
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Robots don't have retinas.

USE MASS to EVOLVE a method of TURNING EXCESS MASS into ENERGY.

USE MASS to EVOLVE a method of CHANNELING ENERGY INTO LASER EYES for more powerful and energetic bursts.

With our now significantly reduced mass RETREAT quickly to the NORTH, the way that we came.

Once it is safe to do so, RETURN to EAT REMAINS of the DWELLER.
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Seriously. The cuteness must not be sacrificed!

I mean, yeah, keep working on evolutions that work, but in the general direction of godless cute-and-blobby killing machines.
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